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Posted on 5/17/13 at 11:44 am to TigerinATL
after watching the dx video report on zeller, I like him a lot more. a frontcourt of davis/zeller might be light for the next couple of years, but its fast, athletic, and versatile.
if they drop in the lottery, I can get behind len or zeller as the pick
if they drop in the lottery, I can get behind len or zeller as the pick
Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:14 pm to corndeaux
DX with a write up on Combine Measurements
LINK
On Noel:
On McLemore and Oladipo
On Burke
On Porter
On Muhammad
Also a nice read on Kawhi Leonard from SI and his versatility for the Spurs. Could Porter grow into a role like that?
LINK
LINK
On Noel:
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-Nerlens Noel's measurements (6'10 without shoes, 7'3.75 wingspan, 206 pounds) are very similar to those of 2012 draftee Keith Benson (6'10 without shoes, 7'4.75, 217 pounds). Finding an apt comparison for Noel is no easy task, as his 206 pound frame (4.2% body fat) is the 4th lightest in our database among players standing at or above 6'10 without shoes on. Compared to his predecessor at Kentucky, Anthony Davis (6'9.25 without shoes, 7'5.5 wingspan, 222 pounds), Noel does not particularly stand out, but doesn't measure up poorly either. Though Noel's measurements may not jump off the page historically like some projected top picks in recent memory, he has good size for a center and the type of wingspan common among prolific shot-blockers. His need to pack on muscle is well documented, and it is worth noting that his ACL injury has certainly limited his ability to get in the weight room and work on that in preparation for this event. It will be worth keeping an eye out for what Noel's body looks like coming into his sophomore year in the NBA after he's healthy and has had a full offseason of work under his belt.
On McLemore and Oladipo
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Ben McLemore (6'3.5 without shoes, 6'7.75 wingspan, 189 pounds) and Victor Oladipo (6'3.25 without shoes, 6'9.25 wingspan, 213 pounds) would appear a tad undersized on height alone, but compensate with impressive wingspans. Oladipo measures out similarly a bit smaller than Dwyane Wade (6'3.75 without shoes, 6'10.75 wingspan, 212 pounds), while McLemore is slightly lighter, but roughly the same size at Bradley Beal (6'3.25 without shows, 6'7.75 wingspan, 202 pounds). While neither player has excellent size for a shooting guard, both have the athleticism to stand out in that portion of the testing.
On Burke
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Trey Burke measured in just under 6-feet tall at 5'11.75 without shoes but has an impressive 6'5.5 wingspan. He's both heavier and longer than Chris Paul (5'11.75 without shoes, 6'4.25 wingspan, 178 pounds) and has a bigger wingspan than Kyrie Irving (6'1.75 without shoes, 6'4 wingspan, 191 pounds) despite standing 2 inches shorter. Burke's measurements place him in good standing among the NBA's best point guards
On Porter
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Otto Porter (6'7.5 without shoes, 7'1.5 wingspan, 198 pounds) ranks among the lightest players his height in our database all-time. His measurements compare well to those of Moe Harkless (6'7.25 without shoes, 7'0 wingspan, 207 pounds), who played well for Orlando as a rookie. If Porter can add some weight to his frame over time, his size and +6 wingspan differential will fit in well among small forwards drafted in the first round. It will be interesting to see how he fares defensively as a rookie against the 240+ pound three men he'll encounter some nights. From
On Muhammad
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Shabazz Muhammad (6'4.75 without shoes, 6'11 wingspan, 222 pounds) measured roughly as expected. His numbers are not outstanding for a small forward prospect, but not awful either. He's 6'6.25 with shoes on and is roughly the same size as Ruben Patterson (6'5 without shoes, 224 pounds) and Caron Butler (6'5.25 without shoes, 6'11.5 wingspan, 222 pounds) both of whom enjoyed long careers at the three-spot. Like those two, Muhammad strong frame is a plus as he looks to compensate for his lack of great size and length.
Also a nice read on Kawhi Leonard from SI and his versatility for the Spurs. Could Porter grow into a role like that?
LINK
Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:18 pm to corndeaux
Burke with a slower lane agility speed than cody zeller. They are talking about him not being an elite athlete and probably having trouble on defense
Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:21 pm to MrBlue105
I'm liking carter williams. Testing well in lane agility and measured a 41" max vert
Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:22 pm to MrBlue105
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Burke with a slower lane agility speed than cody zeller. They are talking about him not being an elite athlete and probably having trouble on defense
That's what I have been saying. Doesn't have the elite quickness like a lot of guards in the NBA. Especially at his size.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:32 pm to BarbaricPelican
To the guys that say this draft class is not deep for role players - they are going on and on about the number of 40 inch verts they've seen here. They've never seen so many athletes in one class.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:34 pm to MrBlue105
quote:Lots of overreacting. He's basically a Paul clone in almost every measurement, including the lane agility
Burke with a slower lane agility speed than cody zeller. They are talking about him not being an elite athlete and probably having trouble on defense
Burke - 11.2
Paul - 11.09 Elite defender
Derrick Rose- 11.69
Damian Lillard - 11.15 - Terrible defender
George Hill - 12.2 - really nice defender
Greivis Vasquez - 11.13 terrible defender
Mike Conley - 11.63 All nba defender
John Wall - 10.84 - Terrible defender
There's almost no correlation there
This post was edited on 5/17/13 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:34 pm to MrBlue105
i wouldnt get too caught up in these drills.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:47 pm to Lester Earl
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Chad Ford ?@chadfordinsider
Shabazz Muhammad. 29.5" standing vert. 37" max vert. #NBACombine
This post was edited on 5/17/13 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:48 pm to eyeran
As long as we get McLemore, Olandipo, Burke, or Porter, I'll be 
.
Would prefer not to take Noel. The size, injury history, and limited offense make me shy away.
. Would prefer not to take Noel. The size, injury history, and limited offense make me shy away.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:57 pm to eyeran
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Lots of overreacting. He's basically a Paul clone in almost every measurement, including the lane agility
Look at the correlation of those guys coming out of college as very good defenders. Burke is coming out as a below average defender. That's what is worrisome.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 2:04 pm to BarbaricPelican
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Look at the correlation of those guys coming out of college as very good defenders. Burke is coming out as a below average defender. That's what is worrisome.
Chris Paul scouting report coming out of college:( Sound familiar?)
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Weaknesses
Paul is a remarkably well-rounded point guard and prospect, but there are a few negatives to mention.
With his quick hands and dominant lateral quickness, you would expect Paul to be a dominant defender. However, he is mediocre at best in this area. While he ends up with a lot of steals, he isn't always an aggressive defender, and doesn't eat up opposing ball handlers the way that he should.
Wake Forest was a very poor defensive team this season, and it showed up in the tournament. While some of that falls on Skip Prosser's system and a few of Paul's teammates, Paul's inability to lock up primary ball handlers (go back to that West Virginia game again), is a place to start when discussing the Demon Deacons' defensive woes.
At a generous 6'0, Paul is a bit undersized as a point in the NBA. While his explosiveness more than makes up for it, Paul may have to adjust some of the things he does as far as attacking the basket. He may have trouble guarding some of the bigger point guards in the league as well.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 2:17 pm to eyeran
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With his quick hands and dominant lateral quickness, you would expect Paul to be a dominant defender.
Don't remember anyone saying that about Burke...
Posted on 5/17/13 at 2:21 pm to BarbaricPelican
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Lots of overreacting. He's basically a Paul clone in almost every measurement, including the lane agility
I agree on the overreaction. I think defense is a state of mind/skill developed in the NBA. Most non 7 foot college guys are not good defenders. Guys get in the league and become defenders. Rodman, Ben Wallace, Hinrich, Noah, Conley, Hill, etc. Most of them don't come in as great defenders.
I think people are expecting the first PG in the draft to be super atletic immediate impact players like Rose, Wall or Irving. They forget that some guys like take a year or two to develop like Curry, Paul or Rondo. (I'm not saying Burke will be any of those, I'm just saying some people are being overly critical in a weak draft.)
Posted on 5/17/13 at 2:22 pm to TigerinATL
And thanks everyone for keeping the thread updated. 
Posted on 5/17/13 at 2:25 pm to Suntiger
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I agree on the overreaction. I think defense is a state of mind/skill developed in the NBA. Most non 7 foot college guys are not good defenders. Guys get in the league and become defenders. Rodman, Ben Wallace, Hinrich, Noah, Conley, Hill, etc. Most of them don't come in as great defenders.
I think Burke will be solid. But I'm not going to dub him the next CP3 like most people love to do.
This post was edited on 5/17/13 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 5/17/13 at 2:28 pm to Suntiger
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And thanks everyone for keeping the thread updated.
Agreed. Been keeping an eye on this thread while at work the last couple of days. I'm just excited to add a new piece to the puzzle and to start amping up for next season.
Obviously who we pick depends on how the ping pong balls fall.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 2:29 pm to That's BS
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Sam Amico @SamAmicoFSO about 14 minutes ago
With Ben McLemore looking so-so and Nerlens Noel injured, talk at NBA Combine suggests this is year No. 1 draft pick finally gets traded.
Would you trade #5/6 + 2015/17/19 picks for #1? (the price paid to move from 3 to 1 in the CWebb Penny Hardaway trade). In theory those future picks should all be in the 20s.
This post was edited on 5/17/13 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 5/17/13 at 2:34 pm to TigerinATL
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Would you trade #5/6 + 2015/17/19 picks for #1? (the price paid to move from 3 to 1 in the CWebb Penny Hardaway trade). In theory those future picks should all be in the 20s.
Who are you looking to draft at #1? If anything Pelocans will trade out #1 if surprisingly the Pels win it.
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