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Charlotte making Kemba available
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:01 am
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:01 am
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Overloaded with bad contracts and untradable assets, the Charlotte Hornets have made All-Star point guard Kemba Walker available in trade discussions, league sources told ESPN.
Charlotte has been encouraging teams to make offers and appear eager to discuss attaching Walker to a larger trade where another team takes on one of the Hornets' several far less desirable contracts, sources said.
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Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:02 am to TigerinATL
I see no reason Asik and a second rounder doesn't get this thing done.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:02 am to TigerinATL
Got this alert and thought of you. Would the cap numbers work? Long term?
This post was edited on 1/19/18 at 9:15 am
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:07 am to The_Duke
We'd likely need to send out Asik and/or Ajinca in any deal to make the salaries work. And if they're also looking to send out a bad contract idk that we'd have the ability or desire to take that on given our cap/tax issues.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:11 am to TigerinATL
Would a score first PG like Kemba work as the counter-piece to Off Ball Jrue?
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:16 am to LesGeaux45
Yea bummer---the Pels and the Clips are the only playoff teams I can see who need a PG.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:16 am to TigerinATL
Jrue Holliday, Omer Asik and 1st rounder for Kemba Walker and Nicolas Batum
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:16 am to Hester Carries
I don't think it would. It would make Jrue that passive version again, but 80% of current Jrue and Kemba is still better than peak Jrue and Rondo.
The issue would be whether Benson would sign off on paying the lux tax. That and the fact that we have no real assets. Charlotte wants assets plus other teams to take back bad salary like Marvin Williams.
Best offer we could make would be Moore, Diallo, Jackson, and a first or two. Plus salaries to match, but that still doesn't help them avoid other bad deals and avoid the tax
The issue would be whether Benson would sign off on paying the lux tax. That and the fact that we have no real assets. Charlotte wants assets plus other teams to take back bad salary like Marvin Williams.
Best offer we could make would be Moore, Diallo, Jackson, and a first or two. Plus salaries to match, but that still doesn't help them avoid other bad deals and avoid the tax
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:20 am to The_Duke
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Would the cap numbers work
It's tricky but doable. I think the route to go is base your salary around Moore and Ajinca rather than Asik. Just plan to stretch Asik. Since Charlotte doesn't want any long term money you need to bring in a 3rd team like Atlanta and since they probably don't value Moore you need a 4th team like Detroit.
Something along the lines of
NOLA Kemba
CHA Belinelli, Tolliver, Stanley Johnson, Diallo, 1st
ATL Ajinca, Frank Jackson
DET Moore and maybe a future 1st for Johnson?
If you can pull something like that off then the Pels have $11 milllion in tax room, basically the full MLE and some minimums to fill out the roster. Maybe split the MLE between Rondo and a SG.
Kemba/Rondo
Holiday/MLE/Cooke
Hill/Miller
AD/Min/Min
DC/Min
The very bad part about this roster is that's it. You can only afford a 12 man roster and one or 2 of those minimums need to be rookie minimums like Cooke. So again it is doable but very tricky if the No Tax mandate is still in effect.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:46 am to TigerinATL
I've been saying it for a few weeks now, the hornets are going no where and are maxed out on their salary and its for 2 or 3 years, so they were inevitable going to start looking to blow it up.
We do not have the contracts they are looking for.
All you could hope for is throwing Asik and Diallo at them with 2 first rounders, one for taking Asik, the other for Kemba.
It sounds like from the article they are just hoping to get back 1 first round pick, or good young player. Maybe and Asik/Diallo/First is enough. That would be awesome.
Utah is a team that has a $10M and $12M expiring contract in Favors and Joe. I would imagine that's the kind of players Charlotte is looking for.
Outside of that, the clippers with DJ are really the only other team with big dollar expiring contracts that are looking to move them, so I doubt Charlotte is going to be able to get some expirings with this deal, unless it's with Utah, and are probably more interested in picks.
The Bledsoe trade was for an expiring contract and basically a 2018 second round pick and 2020 first round pick b/c of the protections on this year and next (top 16 protected. Bledsoe has 2 years left, just like Kemba.
We do not have the contracts they are looking for.
All you could hope for is throwing Asik and Diallo at them with 2 first rounders, one for taking Asik, the other for Kemba.
It sounds like from the article they are just hoping to get back 1 first round pick, or good young player. Maybe and Asik/Diallo/First is enough. That would be awesome.
Utah is a team that has a $10M and $12M expiring contract in Favors and Joe. I would imagine that's the kind of players Charlotte is looking for.
Outside of that, the clippers with DJ are really the only other team with big dollar expiring contracts that are looking to move them, so I doubt Charlotte is going to be able to get some expirings with this deal, unless it's with Utah, and are probably more interested in picks.
The Bledsoe trade was for an expiring contract and basically a 2018 second round pick and 2020 first round pick b/c of the protections on this year and next (top 16 protected. Bledsoe has 2 years left, just like Kemba.
This post was edited on 1/19/18 at 9:56 am
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:52 am to TigerinATL
I don't really like the fit for the amount of ridiculous hoops we'd have to jump through to get Kemba, which I still think is unrealistic considering our assets anyways.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:57 am to Crewz
We'd still have Gentry 
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:57 am to ShamelessPel
quote:Agree. Walker makes no sense for this team given the lack of assets available or cap room.
I don't really like the fit for the amount of ridiculous hoops we'd have to jump through to get Kemba, which I still think is unrealistic considering our assets anyways.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 10:03 am to TeddyPadillac
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I've been saying it for a few weeks now, the hornets are going no where and are maxed out on their salary and its for 2 or 3 years, so they were inevitable going to start looking to blow it up.
Unfortunately, that sounds far too familiar.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 10:03 am to ShamelessPel
I answered whether it was doable, but I didn't answer whether it was sustainable and I think the answer to that is no. In 2 years AD and Kemba would each be getting at least $10 million more per year on a team that has a bench full of minimum guys to stay on the right side of the tax line. The highest tax paying teams like Cleveland, OKC and the Clippers lost money. I don't think this market can support a Big 4 for multiple years.
So I think this is really the only question to ask.
If the team thinks AD/Jrue/Kemba is the better core to build around, they need to sell that to AD and trade Boogie. If not going after Kemba would probably lead to an unbalanced, top heavy roster that forces you to eventually downsize back to a Big 3 anyway only you've dumped all of your options for young cheap depth to get to this unsustainable spot.
So I think this is really the only question to ask.
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Pelicans Will Keep Their 2018 Pick @SilverAndMac 11 minutes ago
Bottom line, there is a deal out there where Boogie goes out and Kemba and a decent big comes back for the Pels. And I'd take a core of AD-Jrue-Kemba over a core of AD-JRUE-Boogie any day
If the team thinks AD/Jrue/Kemba is the better core to build around, they need to sell that to AD and trade Boogie. If not going after Kemba would probably lead to an unbalanced, top heavy roster that forces you to eventually downsize back to a Big 3 anyway only you've dumped all of your options for young cheap depth to get to this unsustainable spot.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 10:07 am to TigerinATL
Denver has the most assets to give up
Posted on 1/19/18 at 10:08 am to DMCfan1331
Then the Pels should make a bid just to make Denver pay more.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 10:12 am to ShamelessPel
What don't you like about the fit?
Batum and whoever is the starting SG for the last 2 years have taken just over 20 shots a game with Kemba.
Jrue is taking 14 a game this year. Solo won't take more than 5 with that lineup. Moore's total will likely go down b/c he wouldn't play as many minutes, as well Rondo's.
I think you'll have 4 guys taking around 15-18 shots a game. We are taking around 85 shots a game. There's 20 shots to go around after those 4 most nights, and probably 15 of those 20 will likely be wide open 3's by Moore/Miller/Solo/whoever else.
Kemba is a guy that makes buckets down the stretch of games. We don't have that guy. Jrue will do it from time to time, but he's never been consistent with it.
Batum and whoever is the starting SG for the last 2 years have taken just over 20 shots a game with Kemba.
Jrue is taking 14 a game this year. Solo won't take more than 5 with that lineup. Moore's total will likely go down b/c he wouldn't play as many minutes, as well Rondo's.
I think you'll have 4 guys taking around 15-18 shots a game. We are taking around 85 shots a game. There's 20 shots to go around after those 4 most nights, and probably 15 of those 20 will likely be wide open 3's by Moore/Miller/Solo/whoever else.
Kemba is a guy that makes buckets down the stretch of games. We don't have that guy. Jrue will do it from time to time, but he's never been consistent with it.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 10:18 am to TigerinATL
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And I'd take a core of AD-Jrue-Kemba over a core of AD-JRUE-Boogie any day
so would I.
I'd trade Cousins/AJinca for Kemba/Marvin in a heartbeat, and I think we would be a better team b/c of it.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 10:21 am to TigerinATL
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If the team thinks AD/Jrue/Kemba is the better core to build around, they need to sell that to AD and trade Boogie. If not going after Kemba would probably lead to an unbalanced, top heavy roster that forces you to eventually downsize back to a Big 3 anyway only you've dumped all of your options for young cheap depth to get to this unsustainable spot.
- If Davis doesn't like it, we piss off both Davis and Cousins and then confirm Davis' loyalty mistrust
- If Charlotte isn't interested in Boogie, we piss off Cousins and then confirm Davis' loyalty mistrust
- If this leaks, which it almost undoubtedly would, and Cousins tells CHA don't even bother, we blow up this season and piss off Davis.
Fun to talk about, almost completely unrealistic as I think at bare minimum Cousins would tell CHA he's not re-upping.
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