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re: Cap Talk and moves you would like to see
Posted on 4/20/23 at 12:52 pm to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 4/20/23 at 12:52 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
So that $157M is more like $148.7 Without Billy/GT/Kira, and we'd have 12 roster spots filled, and $13.3M to fill the remaining 2 or 3 spots.
The new CBA is adding $160 million in licensing revenue to BRI which translates into a cap bump of about $2.6 million. If the playoffs/finals are competitive again we usually see an extra $2 million or so cap bump from that. Both of those would push the tax threshold up about $6 million to $168 million. Between that bump and Zion not getting Rose Rule money, things may not be as tight as we feared to start the season.
This post was edited on 4/20/23 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 4/20/23 at 12:59 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
PG: CJ/Jose/Dyson
SG: Herb/14th pick/Naji
SF: BI/Trey/Watanabe
PF: Zion/Larry/Liddell
C: JV/Eubanks/Koloko
Not bad, still just not a ton of shooting there unless the 14th is a quality nba shooter from the jump. Even then good luck getting willie to play him in a crucial season for the franchise. I honestly don't think theres any way they keep that pick, id say its a 95% chance they trade it
Posted on 4/20/23 at 1:06 pm to shel311
quote:
If that's the case, what is the difference, if anything, between a team option and a fully non guaranteed year?
Oh, you had me go down a rabbit hole on this one. But apparently a lot of things. Here’s his contract as well as a great article explaining the differences:
GT Contract
Options vs non guarantees
Yes, he was only guaranteed the first two seasons, just over $10 million. His contract was technically part of the sign and trade for Lonzo, and needed to be three seasons. Hence the third non guaranteed year.
Notable difference that I see is that GT can be traded between the end of the season and his guarantee date. While a player with a team option can not be traded without the option being picked up. GT becomes pretty valuable trade fodder for us, while not costing the acquiring team anything if they don’t want.
Posted on 4/20/23 at 1:10 pm to PELsu
quote:
Notable difference that I see is that GT can be traded between the end of the season and his guarantee date. While a player with a team option can not be traded without the option being picked up. GT becomes pretty valuable trade fodder for us, while not costing the acquiring team anything if they don’t want.
That article is from 2015. They closed a loophole several years ago where if you trade someone like Temple for $5 million, the other team can't just decline the option and waive him. If his salary is essential to the trade it's like the other team is agreeing to pick up that option.
I'm not sure if non guaranteed makes the same difference now or not, but the date for the non guarantee is the end of this season, so he can really only be used like that in a draft day trade.
Posted on 4/20/23 at 1:22 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
That article is from 2015.
Hmm, this is from Keith Smith last June that seems to say the same thing:
Keith Smith article
“Another key difference: Unlike pending free agents, who can’t be traded, non-guaranteed players can be traded, whether at the draft or in the offseason (prior to their guarantee date). The key is that players only count in trades for the amount of their guarantee.”
Maybe not entirely as direct as I would like, but I do believe it implies the same thing
Posted on 4/20/23 at 1:26 pm to PELsu
Haha, I’m an idiot. Literally in my post. Can only count for as much as the guarantee….aka $0. I’m not editing, my bad. Yes they changed in new CBA I see
Posted on 4/20/23 at 1:28 pm to 50_Tiger
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This post was edited on 4/20/23 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 4/20/23 at 1:50 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:I'm all for it. That would save what looks like $1.7mil.
Send Kira to the Nets in a S&T for Yuta Watanabe, who we should be able to sign for maybe $4M/yr at most.
S&T not needed since Kira is under contract next season.
This post was edited on 4/20/23 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 4/20/23 at 1:54 pm to PELsu
quote:Better you than me
Oh, you had me go down a rabbit hole on this one.

From your 2nd article, looks like a bullet point list of about 10 things that make them different.
Good stuff!

I think they're sorta the same thing, even if there are like 10 differences, but the differences are largely in the very, very detailed parts of contracts.
Posted on 4/20/23 at 2:11 pm to 50_Tiger
Pacers Trade
Trading expiring's for better fitting expirings
Sign Drew Eubanks or Naz Reid. Both Nwora and Buddy are over 40% 3 point shooters. Release GT
Starters
CJ
Herb
BI
Zion
Eubanks or Reid
Bench
Jose/Point Zion
Buddy
Nwora Nwora Highlight
Trey
Nance
Reserves
Dyson
EJ
14th pick (Best Shooter)
32nd pick (Best Big)
This fixes our bench scoring woes. Imagine Zion running point with a second unit with three 40% 3 point shooters. Buddy and Trey can also be plugged in as starters when injuries occur
Trading expiring's for better fitting expirings
Sign Drew Eubanks or Naz Reid. Both Nwora and Buddy are over 40% 3 point shooters. Release GT
Starters
CJ
Herb
BI
Zion
Eubanks or Reid
Bench
Jose/Point Zion
Buddy
Nwora Nwora Highlight
Trey
Nance
Reserves
Dyson
EJ
14th pick (Best Shooter)
32nd pick (Best Big)
This fixes our bench scoring woes. Imagine Zion running point with a second unit with three 40% 3 point shooters. Buddy and Trey can also be plugged in as starters when injuries occur
Posted on 4/20/23 at 2:21 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
PG: CJ/Jose/Dyson
SG: Herb/14th pick/Naji
SF: BI/Trey/Watanabe
PF: Zion/Larry/Liddell
C: JV/Eubanks/Koloko
Larry is only playing the small ball 5 at this point, but when healthy (Pels tagline), he is good at it and plays winning ball
I'm not a huge fan of Eubanks, but like Koloko (or Onyeka Okongwu, Bruno Fernando, Isaiah Jackson, Charles Bassey, maybe Paul Reed...Zach Collins is another ok guy)...a young and athletic shot blocker would be a nice tool to have behind a couple of vets at the 5 (yes, I realize that could describe Jaxson...I wouldn't mind keeping him, but not at some big salary).
IMO that still leaves a need at the backup 4 to compete with Liddell. If we don't fill that spot in the draft, then there are some options around the league.
Younger backup 4s under $10mm - Jalen Smith, Xavier Tillman, Obi Toppin, Trendon Watford, Rui Hachimura...
Could also look at an older guy like Chris Boucher since he is on a descending contract.
Still could use more shooting.
This post was edited on 4/20/23 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 4/20/23 at 2:37 pm to yundiesel
quote:
start Eubanks or Reid
Drew Eubanks as a starter is not a great plan imo
Posted on 4/20/23 at 3:14 pm to BamaPelican
quote:
IMO that still leaves a need at the backup 4 to compete with Liddell
with that lineup i proposed no one is a true 4, but Trey and Watanabe would play the 4 behind Zion, assuming Liddell isn't playing much, and they are perfectly fine playing back up small ball 4. I wouldn't worry about backup 4 with Trey and Watanabe, especially if Liddell is decent. I just want rim protectors that can play the 5 behind JV, which is why i want Eubanks and Koloko.
And Shell, Watanabe is a FA so he's the one that needs to be S&T, not Kira.
What we do need is another playmaker or shooter that plays SG. that's why i said to draft a guard at 14. Relying on Dyson or that pick to be the 5th guard from the 1/2/3 positions is a bit of a stretch though, so we might need a backup plan.
i think a move i wouldn't mind making though is to try and get Coby White from Chicago. He's a RFA, so it would need to be a S&T. I'd trade Larry to get White. He's come on as a good 3 point shooter, can get his own shot, and from all accounts is great in the locker room.
Posted on 4/20/23 at 5:20 pm to 50_Tiger
I like the Naz Reid idea. I also would be fine with adding Burks for 3pt
CJ/ Jose/ Dyson
BI/ Burks/ Draft
Herb/ Trey/ Draft or Naji
Zion/ Liddell/ Nance
Reid/ Matkovich/ Draft.
So with 14th pick you take a SG/C. 2nd round SG/C. Then choose 1/4 of Naji, undrafted, 2nd, vet min.
We would have Reid, Matkovich, rookie, and Nance to rotate at C.
CJ/ Jose/ Dyson
BI/ Burks/ Draft
Herb/ Trey/ Draft or Naji
Zion/ Liddell/ Nance
Reid/ Matkovich/ Draft.
So with 14th pick you take a SG/C. 2nd round SG/C. Then choose 1/4 of Naji, undrafted, 2nd, vet min.
We would have Reid, Matkovich, rookie, and Nance to rotate at C.
This post was edited on 4/20/23 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 4/20/23 at 5:25 pm to Dantheman504
quote:
So with 14th pick you take a SG/C. 2nd round SG/C. Then choose 1/4 of Naji, undrafted, 2nd, vet min. We would have Reid, Matkovich, rookie, and Nance to rotate at C.
We have 0 2nd round picks for the next 7 years. I love naz Reid but I’m still not convinced he’s a starting center for a good team
Posted on 4/20/23 at 5:43 pm to Balsamic_duck
He’s either an amazing future starting C contract at 10-12ish mil. Or he’s a great backup for 10-12mil.
I can live with either of those options. We would also have Matkovich, a rookie, Nance, Zion, and Trey.
Plenty of young options to find the right fit and plenty of support/ rotations if 1-2 are a bust. And we aren’t breaking the bank.
If we want 2nd rounds picks we will get them. We can probably trade Kira for 2-4. We can probably trade one for a nice steak dinner.
We also don’t even need 2nd rd picks if we trust our undrafted scouting.
I can live with either of those options. We would also have Matkovich, a rookie, Nance, Zion, and Trey.
Plenty of young options to find the right fit and plenty of support/ rotations if 1-2 are a bust. And we aren’t breaking the bank.
If we want 2nd rounds picks we will get them. We can probably trade Kira for 2-4. We can probably trade one for a nice steak dinner.
We also don’t even need 2nd rd picks if we trust our undrafted scouting.
This post was edited on 4/20/23 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 4/20/23 at 6:05 pm to Dantheman504
I don't see how we're affording Reid at $10mil or more per year.
Posted on 4/20/23 at 6:32 pm to shel311
How so? Val is making 15.5mil next year.
Reid- 12mil
Matkovich- 2mil
Draft/ undrafted/ vet min- 2mil
That’s 16 mil, 2 extra players, and 3 different opportunities to find the long term fit.
Reid- 12mil
Matkovich- 2mil
Draft/ undrafted/ vet min- 2mil
That’s 16 mil, 2 extra players, and 3 different opportunities to find the long term fit.
Posted on 4/20/23 at 6:46 pm to Dantheman504
quote:
How so? Val is making 15.5mil next year. Reid- 12mil Matkovich- 2mil Draft/ undrafted/ vet min- 2mil That’s 16 mil, 2 extra players, and 3 different opportunities to find the long term fit.
And a massive reduction in production IMO…I like Reid fine enough, actually a lot, as a backup, but JV is significantly better and I haven’t seen anything to make me believe Matkovic is anything more than bench fodder in the NBA.
This post was edited on 4/20/23 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 4/20/23 at 6:57 pm to shel311
We have 4.6mil available. #14 draft pick will use most of that (projected 3.9mil). That cancels out Jaxsons spot.
CJ/ Jose/ Dyson
BI/
Herb/ Trey
Zion/ Nance
#14/
9/15 roster spots.
Val- 15.5mil
Kira- 5.7mil
GT- 5.4mil
Billy- 2.6mil
Naji - 1.9mil
JR - 0mil
= 31.5mil
Burks- 12mil
Reid- 12mil
EJ- 2mil
Mat- 2mil
Draft- 2mil
Draft/ Naji/ vet min- 2mil
=32mil
That’s not including trade exceptions, the mil, etccc. It could work.
Keeps us out the tax for another year. 1 year to have clarity on who we are keeping for the tax or if we blow it up.
CJ/ Jose/ Dyson
BI/
Herb/ Trey
Zion/ Nance
#14/
9/15 roster spots.
Val- 15.5mil
Kira- 5.7mil
GT- 5.4mil
Billy- 2.6mil
Naji - 1.9mil
JR - 0mil
= 31.5mil
Burks- 12mil
Reid- 12mil
EJ- 2mil
Mat- 2mil
Draft- 2mil
Draft/ Naji/ vet min- 2mil
=32mil
That’s not including trade exceptions, the mil, etccc. It could work.
Keeps us out the tax for another year. 1 year to have clarity on who we are keeping for the tax or if we blow it up.
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