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re: Can y’all admit we miss BI

Posted on 4/4/24 at 10:35 am to
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112626 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 10:35 am to
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I don’t understand how you can watch games and not think we’re sucking arse cause BI is out.

Why have we gotten worse playing OKC/MIL/BOS/PHO as opposed to playing Brooklyn and Portland and other teams who are missing their best players?
Posted by whatiknowsofar
hm?
Member since Nov 2010
25968 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 10:35 am to
Pels Yaz getting called out for whack takes


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You’re getting emotional and acting like a child because I disagree with you.


Now we've gotten the full Yaz experience. Thanks man!

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You do this with other posters as well. Its part if your history.


I do tend to call out dumbass takes on this board too much. It's a fatal flaw of mine.

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Seriously, grow up, we’re all pissed they’re losing and we have our own reasons for that no need to throw middle school insults. The problem is you cant control your emotions. Go back typing in CAPS LOCK on your game threads. I honestly wasn’t trying to get in some spitting match with you but typical shite behavior by the worst mod in this board.


well this just hurts my feelings lol
Posted by whatiknowsofar
hm?
Member since Nov 2010
25968 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 10:40 am to
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live to pick fights but it takes two to tango. You keep going and you’re as guilty as me but wont admit it.


Exhibit a of why people dont like fricking with you man.

I've shunned you for a few months and today I finally got bored enough to engage you. Won't happen for a long time after this.
This post was edited on 4/4/24 at 10:41 am
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 10:40 am to
Grow up man. I argue with Shell and Broski on here too but I give them credit they don’t turn into complete asses. You can differ without being an arse and taking it personally. You have always had issues with that. I never got personal in my argument with you until you decided to just say “this why people dont like fricking with you.” That was typical low blow personal shite you do.
Posted by Parrish
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2014
2240 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 10:40 am to
While the offense is better with BI, the defense is not. Compared to season average the Pels have given up 3 fewer points per game in the last 7 without BI against some of the best league offenses. Anyway, considering offense and defense BI is still a net positive and we miss him, but the more important question is if he'll be worth the money he's likely to demand and receive, and I think the answer is "no."
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 10:41 am to
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Nah, I've shunned you for a few months and today I finally got bored enough to engage you.


See you have problems. Again how you’re a mod is beyond me.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 10:42 am to
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Exhibit a of why people dont like fricking with you man


Again personal shite. Like for no fricking reason. Be an adult and argue without doing that.
Posted by whatiknowsofar
hm?
Member since Nov 2010
25968 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 10:43 am to
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I never got personal in my argument with you until you decided to just say “this why people dont like fricking with you.” That was typical low blow personal shite you do.


I'm sorry I hurt your feelings by calling out your whack hypothetical. But it's the truth. You argue your points well to an extent, then use unprovable points to "win" said argument.
Posted by whatiknowsofar
hm?
Member since Nov 2010
25968 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 10:44 am to
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Be an adult


Also you

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I live to pick fights
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 10:48 am to
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I'm sorry I hurt your feelings by calling out your whack hypothetical. But it's the truth. You argue your points well to an extent, then use unprovable points to "win" said argument.


Call out my arguments Im fine with that. Saying this is why people dont frick with you- has nothing to do with my argument. It’s grade school like. It actually demeans your whole point even if you were right or wrong when you do that.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 10:49 am to
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Also you


Im literally trying my best here from my last couple if posts. Instead saying “you too” maybe respond accordingly.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 11:00 am to
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Why have we gotten worse playing OKC/MIL/BOS/PHO as opposed to playing Brooklyn and Portland and other teams who are missing their best players?


So you’re saying sure BI helps a bit but the reality is even with BI we’re not on par with these teams and would likely lose these game right?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112626 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 11:04 am to
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So you’re saying sure BI helps a bit but the reality is even with BI we’re not on par with these teams and would likely lose these game right?

Correct

Not even saying the record would be exactly the same. Maybe we grab one of those games we lost in the last 5 if BI were playing, certainly plausible.

But the idea being tossed out that we went from winning against absolutely horrible teams to losing against the toughest part of our schedule this season is because of 100% no BI and 0% the schedule is pretty silly.


The evidence or my "proof" that the schedule is the bigger reason is simple. if your only goal is to win the most possible games, would you prefer we play this same schedule the last 5 games but with BI, or would you prefer we play more of those cupcakes and 5 absolute shite teams and no BI. The answer is rather obvious, no?



Both the schedule and no BI are hurting us. We need BI to max out this team. The 5 game schedule has hurt us more than no BI. All those takes can be so without contradicting one another.
This post was edited on 4/4/24 at 11:05 am
Posted by Pistol44
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2019
2298 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 11:05 am to
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The schedule is the biggest reason


OK Shel, but you were the biggest proponent that last year's Dec. run had nothing to do with the schedule.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112626 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 11:12 am to
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OK Shel, but you were the biggest proponent that last year's Dec. run had nothing to do with the schedule.

Because the myth that the schedule was awful was never real.

We played 15 games in December of 2022. 9 of those were against playoff teams that season.



During that stretch we played 3 awful teams, 3 not good but respectable teams, and 9 playoff teams.

We were 6-3 against those playoff teams.
This post was edited on 4/4/24 at 11:14 am
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 11:34 am to
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Both the schedule and no BI are hurting us. We need BI to max out this team. The 5 game schedule has hurt us more than no BI. All those takes can be so without contradicting one another.


Thank you. All I was saying. I just was confused how “us losing BI” became the main reason we lost these games when even with BI we weren’t really on the same level as these teams. The fact we need to provide hard evidence or proof of this I think is silly since it’s common sense. We need BI but even if he was healthy “maybe” we’re a game better like you said.
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
33543 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 11:36 am to
Regardless of all of this talk is the fact that a mostly healthy season from BI and Zion still only got you a 7th seed and the play in. That’s not good enough. We have a roster and coach with fundamental differences from our best players.


The roster and coach will need a major shake up this offseason. I don’t care how good you defend if you can’t fricking score in this league. This isn’t the 90s. You win with offense in today’s NBA but Willie, after 3 seasons, still hasn’t learned that and never will.



ETA: I don’t care how bad they are on defense or how similar they are to JV, you have to make a move for a major offensive player this offseason. Someone like CJ + Dyson and a pile of picks for Trae Young or JV + Dyson and a pile of picks for Jarrett Allen.
This post was edited on 4/4/24 at 11:39 am
Posted by Pistol44
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2019
2298 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 11:40 am to
OK, Gotcha, but now
"The schedule is the biggest reason".

Stop it. Pels run as BI and Zion run. Most know this. What some don't realize is that, at this point in their careers, Zion raises the floor and BI raises the ceiling when they are playing for this team, particularly in playoff and playoff-type atmospheres.

I think team has two cornerstones and need to continue to build around them -Center and Point-. Hard lessons are being learned but it'll sharpen the organization's focus. Right now, Pels need to keep it together. Win the next game for sure, split the road trip, and beat the Lakers. Thats Pels life, ain't never no easy road.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 11:41 am to
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Regardless of all of this talk is the fact that a mostly healthy season from BI and Zion still only got you a 7th seed and the play in. That’s not good enough. We have a roster and coach with fundamental differences from our best players.


THIS! There are deeper issues at play here. Roster construction, poor coaching, execution by our stars, etc. As a pels fan, I’m just so tired of “oh if so and so wasn’t injured” then we would be in a better place. BI and Zion have been relatively the healthiest they been in their careers. This sample size and how this season ends, is more than enough data to see what to do with this team moving forward in the offseason.
Posted by whatiknowsofar
hm?
Member since Nov 2010
25968 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 11:49 am to
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Regardless of all of this talk is the fact that a mostly healthy season from BI and Zion


Zion playing half the season out of shape is what really fricked us. We'd be a top 4 seed if he was in this shape now at the start of the season. Team identity is ironed out sooner, etc.

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still only got you a 7th seed and the play in.


Every year is different, this is a historically crazy good conference this year. 45 wins got you the 4 seed last year. This year it puts you in 6-8 seed territory.
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