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Posted on 2/7/24 at 11:26 am to shel311
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- Jaylin Williams ahead of Chet Holmgren (20 & 21)
He doesnt have Jaylin Williams ahead of Chet. lol. He has Jalen Williams ahead of Chet.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 11:26 am to LilWezyAna
quote:I do agree with all of this, but Dame would still likely have more trade value than CJ right now. I'm not even sure that he's more valuable once you factor in his contract compared to CJ's, but he has the clout.
CJ makes less money and is arguably playing better than Dame right now. His season is being massively underrated right now
But yea, CJ's season is massively underrated. He's arguably been our best player. When you look at a few of the metrics with him/BI/Zion, it's all over the place with all 3 being close to each other, and CJ doing it on lesser usage is just impressive.
If we were a legit contender, that would drastically change his value. If we were like 35-15 and the 1 or 2 seed or whatever, CJ would easily have much more value than all of Hawkins/Herb/Trey...it wouldn't even be close IMO.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 11:27 am to Hester Carries
quote:That's not how it works. That logic is quite literally impossible to make a trade value ranking out of.
So in his opinion we would trade Zion straight up (if not with filler) for Lauri Markkenen? the frick is he talking about.
This post was edited on 2/7/24 at 11:28 am
Posted on 2/7/24 at 11:31 am to shel311
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That's not how it works. That logic is quite literally impossible to make a trade value ranking out of.
Help me understand then. cause ive listened to years of these rankings. and while Lauri makes less hes up for a new contract in a year.
i dont see how "trade value rankings" somehow are impossible to make using.....trade value.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 11:40 am to LilWezyAna
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CJ makes less money and is arguably playing better than Dame right now. His season is being massively underrated right now
I disagree. Yeah he's playing great but take into consideration age/ contract/ etccc. He isn't top 100 when accounting for future value.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 11:41 am to shel311
I wouldn’t call Caruso a “poor man’s Herb” though.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 11:45 am to Hester Carries
quote:I'd say this...let's just say the Bucks would not trade Giannis for Luka and the Mavs would not trade Luka for Giannis, then how do you rank one over the other?
i dont see how "trade value rankings" somehow are impossible to make using.....trade value.
Also factor in, trade value, would also mean probably more so how much you could get back in a trade. And going back to your original post, I do think there's very much a legit argument that Lauri could get more value back in a trade than Zion. Right or wrong...I think it's wrong...Zion's own team doesn't even seem to think he's higher on the pecking order than Brandon Ingram. The team has gone out of its way to tell us BI is the #1 and Zion is #2. I imagine there's quite a few other teams who don't have the highest opinion of Zion either.
This post was edited on 2/7/24 at 11:46 am
Posted on 2/7/24 at 11:47 am to TotesMcGotes
quote:Agreed.
I wouldn’t call Caruso a “poor man’s Herb” though.
They're pretty darn close to equal, you can make IMO a solid case for either one being better than the other.
The "poor man's line insinuates one is clearly and much better, and that is not the case in either direction I'd say.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 11:49 am to shel311
I understand where you are coming from as a whole. I also agree with Hester that this can be used as a reference or "base package" comparison.
BI and Bridges are close enough value around the league that if one wants 3/4+ picks or young players then you can easily argue the value can be lopsided there. It doesn't mean that chemistry/stubbornness/ bidding war is irrelevant but it can be used as a factor.
BI and Bridges are close enough value around the league that if one wants 3/4+ picks or young players then you can easily argue the value can be lopsided there. It doesn't mean that chemistry/stubbornness/ bidding war is irrelevant but it can be used as a factor.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 11:56 am to shel311
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I'd say this...let's just say the Bucks would not trade Giannis for Luka and the Mavs would not trade Luka for Giannis, then how do you rank one over the othe
The Jazz would 100% trade Lauri for Zion though.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 12:15 pm to Hester Carries
quote:But again, what do you do in the Giannis/Luka hypothetical if that is the only way you're viewing it and assuming neither team would trade either guy, so now you can't rank 1 over the other.
The Jazz would 100% trade Lauri for Zion though.
It goes back to value.
While you could argue that Zion may have more value and Simmons is just off base a bit, I don't think you can say outright that is completely an outlandish take and just crazy that Simmons would dare put Lauri ahead of Zion. Not saying you said it like that, just more so pointing out that while you can disagree, I think the Lauri more value than Zion is a defensible stance too.
This post was edited on 2/7/24 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 2/7/24 at 12:21 pm to shel311
I think the Mavs should trade Luka for Giannis. I don't think they're that close. Giannis is a lot better imo.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 12:27 pm to Dantheman504
quote:CJ is younger than Dame and will make 20 million less (per year) over the next two years
I disagree. Yeah he's playing great but take into consideration age/ contract/ etccc. He isn't top 100 when accounting for future value.
This post was edited on 2/7/24 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 2/7/24 at 12:30 pm to ghost2most
quote:GIannis is like 5 years older though
I think the Mavs should trade Luka for Giannis. I don't think they're that close. Giannis is a lot better imo.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 12:35 pm to PP7 for heisman
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CJ is younger than Dame and will make 20 million less (per year) over the next two years
And is having the best year of his career.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 1:04 pm to shel311
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But again, what do you do in the Giannis/Luka hypothetical if that is the only way you're viewing it and assuming neither team would trade either guy, so now you can't rank 1 over the other.
I think top 5 is simply “untrabeable” and at that point you use a slightly different criteria to evaluate ranking.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 1:12 pm to LilWezyAna
Lillard is first in essentially all 4th quarter statistics for his position. That's why he's a massive favorite for Clutch Player of the Year
Posted on 2/7/24 at 1:16 pm to shel311
The age is a factor. Also Luka's game may age better than Giannis so I changed my mind ha
Posted on 2/7/24 at 1:41 pm to ghost2most
quote:Yea, Luka's game will age very well.
The age is a factor. Also Luka's game may age better than Giannis so I changed my mind ha
Giannis will have to be a freak like Lebron, which he may very well be, or he's going to decline very fast the instant the insane athleticism goes.
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