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re: Bill Simmons discusses potential AD for Ben Simmons trade
Posted on 1/3/19 at 11:45 am to LesGeaux45
Posted on 1/3/19 at 11:45 am to LesGeaux45
Actually Bill suggested it based On the evidence that the city doesn’t care
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Posted on 1/3/19 at 12:01 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
Which I'm sure he based on a game he watched one time during the Dan Dickau season.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 12:13 pm to LesGeaux45
Or ticket sales.
Or media coverage.
Or social media metrics.
Maybe local ratings.
It’s pretty undeniable that there is general apathy to the Pels.
Even The Bird Writes is suggesting that the level of interest is low & The Bensons react accordingly.
Or media coverage.
Or social media metrics.
Maybe local ratings.
It’s pretty undeniable that there is general apathy to the Pels.
Even The Bird Writes is suggesting that the level of interest is low & The Bensons react accordingly.
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 1/3/19 at 1:31 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
quote:Wow, even the Bird Writes? Well it must be true if the Bird Writes says it.......Really?
Even The Bird Writes is suggesting that the level of interest is low & The Bensons react accordingly.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 2:31 pm to NOSHAU
Come on, let's all be real. It's a bottom tier market for soamy reasons. There are some die hards, and for those people it is hard to see, but the reality is that the fan base is miniscule and it's a football market. The TV market is small and it's own ownership thinks so little of it that the two highest positions are filled by guys who have other jobs that take up far more of their time.
How many companies worth potentially a billion dollars do you think have it's two highest officers focusing on other jobs? It's a joke.
If we are being objective about it, and we were to take the three franchises that should at least be discussed when contemplating moving, New Orleans should be on that list every single time
How many companies worth potentially a billion dollars do you think have it's two highest officers focusing on other jobs? It's a joke.
If we are being objective about it, and we were to take the three franchises that should at least be discussed when contemplating moving, New Orleans should be on that list every single time
Posted on 1/3/19 at 2:40 pm to NOSHAU
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Wow, even the Bird Writes? Well it must be true if the Bird Writes says it.......Really?
As in one of the very few media that cover the Pels? Hell The Advocate job is a part time gig.
This isn’t a great basketball market. Don’t be obtuse.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 2:42 pm to Crewz
You’re 100% right, and as one of the diehards it fricking sucks. People just don’t give a shite. You can get lower bowl seats for some games below $20. I even saw this frequently last season even though the team was good. It’s sad because you see the unbelievable support the Saints get. They have arguably the most passionate fan base in the league, certainly top 3-5, and the Pels are bottom 3-5 in support. You see stuff like the playoffs where everyone was so into it and the potential there, but not enough consistently care, and I don’t see that changing.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 2:48 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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It’s pretty undeniable that there is general apathy to the Pels
And my argument is that the casual fan cares and shows up when the team wins and gives them a reason to. The problem is that over the course of their time here the team has very seldomly done that.
No I don't think this is market where people will consistently sell out the building for a bad or mediocre team. But if this team were consistently in the mix I think you would see consistently higher attendance and coverage. The attendance and atmosphere in the SKC when the team is performing well has been great.
As mentioned before, one of the biggest problems is every time a little excitement builds around this team (2007-08, 2014-15, 2017-18) they turn around and crap the bed for multiple years. Would be nice for them to sustain a little success for more than one season every 4-5 years on average.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 2:58 pm to CocoLoco
quote:And what is the difference between the two franchises? Success. The Pelicans need some consistent level of success to draw the fans. The fans were ready for this to be a great season and there was a lot of hype at the beginning of the season. That died when the team decided to tank after 4 games.
You’re 100% right, and as one of the diehards it fricking sucks. People just don’t give a shite. You can get lower bowl seats for some games below $20. I even saw this frequently last season even though the team was good. It’s sad because you see the unbelievable support the Saints get. They have arguably the most passionate fan base in the league, certainly top 3-5, and the Pels are bottom 3-5 in support. You see stuff like the playoffs where everyone was so into it and the potential there, but not enough consistently care, and I don’t see that changing.
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Posted on 1/3/19 at 3:15 pm to NOSHAU
I went and pulled the attendance figures for every game post-ASB last year when the team started to play at a high level.
The average attendance for those 20ish games was 17,171 which is 99% of the listed SKC capacity of 17,188. It's essentially averaging a paid sellout. If no one cared about the team at all under any circumstances I'm not sure how that would be the case.
NOLA is no different that most other small markets. Win consistently and people show up. Don't and they'll find other things to do.
The average attendance for those 20ish games was 17,171 which is 99% of the listed SKC capacity of 17,188. It's essentially averaging a paid sellout. If no one cared about the team at all under any circumstances I'm not sure how that would be the case.
NOLA is no different that most other small markets. Win consistently and people show up. Don't and they'll find other things to do.
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 1/3/19 at 3:17 pm to NOSHAU
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The fans were ready for this to be a great season and there was a lot of hype at the beginning of the season.
Bottom 5 in season ticket sales this summer. So what evidence do you base your statement on?
Posted on 1/3/19 at 3:32 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
quote:Link? How long have you had full season tickets?
Bottom 5 in season ticket sales this summer. So what evidence do you base your statement on?
Posted on 1/3/19 at 3:45 pm to NOSHAU
Have the season ticket sales dropped? I know the Pels passed the 10k mark seasons ago. This article says the Bucks passed the 10k mark for the first time ever this year which puts them 11th in the league. I can't find season ticket sales by team anywhere so using this for reference:
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The Milwaukee Bucks have already sold a team-record 10,000 season tickets for the upcoming 2018-19 season, according to Darren Rovell of ESPN.com, surpassing the previous high of 8,985 in 1988-89.
"This is such a major moment for the Bucks organization," Jamie Morningstar, the team's senior vice president of ticket sales and service, told Rovell. "There's an incredible buzz about the team and Fiserv Forum, and people from all over Wisconsin are excited to be part of it."
Per Rovell, the Bucks are now 11th in the NBA in season tickets sold, their highest placement ever, after ranking last in 2014.
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 1/3/19 at 4:08 pm to LesGeaux45
I don't understand how this trade would improve any of those circumstances. Simmons is not really from the area and is flawed enough, that we really can't call him a superstar yet.
I know people on here do not like the idea of developing talent. But Davis isn't popular here just because he is good. He has been here a long time and the public has watched him grow. So they have endeared themselves to him. When you draft and develop players, that is what happens over time. As of now, it is mainly just a team of hired guns. People aren't going to care about those type of players, unless we are winning or they have some other type of connection..
I know people on here do not like the idea of developing talent. But Davis isn't popular here just because he is good. He has been here a long time and the public has watched him grow. So they have endeared themselves to him. When you draft and develop players, that is what happens over time. As of now, it is mainly just a team of hired guns. People aren't going to care about those type of players, unless we are winning or they have some other type of connection..
Posted on 1/3/19 at 4:10 pm to Crewz
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it's own ownership thinks so little of it that the two highest positions are filled by guys who have other jobs that take up far more of their time.
How many companies worth potentially a billion dollars do you think have it's two highest officers focusing on other jobs? It's a joke.
Mickey Loomis bio in 2018/19 Pels Media Guide.
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Entering his sixth season, Mickey Loomis was appointed the Executive Vice President of Pelicans Basketball Operations in 2012. Additionally, Loomis serves as the Executive Vice President and General Manager of the New Orleans Saints, where he oversees the organization’s entire football operations.
Loomis, entering his 16th season in his current position and 18th with the Saints, is a veteran of 33 years in the NFL. During his time in New Orleans, he has been honored with the most prestigious awards presented to a league executive, yet the most satisfying achievement of Loomis’ career has come in helping mold a roster that has produced many of the franchise’s finest moments over the last 11 seasons, including the Super Bowl XLIV championship. Loomis was promoted to general manager in 2002 and earned the additional title of executive vice president later that year. The departments under his direction include coaching, player personnel and scouting, salary cap management, contract negotiations, athletic training, equipment, video and communications.
In 2006 - after being the key figure in the hiring of Sean Payton, the signing of Drew Brees and essentially rebuilding a team that would advance to the NFC Championship – Loomis was voted the NFL Executive of the Year by Pro Football Weekly/Pro Football Writers of America. He was also honored by the Sporting News as the George Young Executive of the Year, an award voted on annually by NFL front-office executives and owners.
Loomis has continued to build on the success of 2006, highlighted by five postseason appearances, three division titles and the Super Bowl victory. Over the past 11 years, he has brought aboard a collection of players who have played a key role in New Orleans posting a 107-79 overall record through a combination of the draft, free agency and trades. He’s also presided over the club’s ability to retain their core players, re-signing several significant contributors to long-term contracts.
While his responsibilities have grown during his tenure with the Saints, Loomis has been a key figure in the highest management circle of the organization since arriving in 2000. Loomis joined the club as director of football administration, a post he held until 2002, handling contract negotiations, managing the salary cap and coordinating different areas of the football operations.
In 2005, Loomis helped steer the club through unprecedented challenges for an NFL team. He calmly guided the staff and players through a sudden evacuation from New Orleans in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, in addition to several moves of the club’s base of operations.
Since 2003, Loomis has overseen two extensive renovations of Saints headquarters that have added an indoor practice facility, new weight room and cafeteria and completely renovated coaches and player personnel offices, meeting rooms and locker rooms, giving the club one of the NFL’s top training complexes in the Ochsner Sports Performance Center.
Prior to arriving in New Orleans, Loomis spent 15 years with the Seattle Seahawks, including as executive vice president from 1992-98. He joined the Seahawks in October, 1983, was promoted to Vice President/Finance in 1990 and to Executive Vice President in 1992.
A native of Eugene, Ore., Loomis has a degree in accounting from the University of Oregon and a Master’s Degree in Sports Administration from Wichita State University
1 paragraph listing his role, 7 paragraphs detailing the experiences in professional football for the president of basketball operations for a NBA team in 2019. What a joke
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 1/3/19 at 4:28 pm to corndeaux
There's zero argument there. This team needs a full-time, hands on POBO. You want that person to functionally report to Loomis or Luchsia? Sure, whatever. But the fact that Mickey is the POBO is a joke.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 7:17 pm to SirWinston
Please let this happen! Benny and the Pellies 
Posted on 1/4/19 at 12:26 am to Bronc
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I don’t blame the fan base, and frick Bill Simmons for good measure. The pretentious frick has no grasp of this franchise except to suck AD’s metaphorical cock from his platform to hopefully help drive the larger media narrative to get him to Boston. Been shitting on New Orleans since AD started coming into his own.
Amen
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The playoff crowd for the Portland series was rivaling a Saints playoff game. I know, I was there, it was sheer madness and the atmosphere was incredible.
I've been to a few Thunder playoff games, including a game seven, and games 3 and 4 of the Portland series was louder than the thunder games. And everyone claims the thunder have the loudest crowd. Sheeeit the blender was rocking big time.
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