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re: BI is a game winner. Not a championship winner

Posted on 4/13/23 at 12:21 am to
Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
The Garden
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 4/13/23 at 12:21 am to
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Name the last team to win a title whose best player wasn't as good as BI...


BI hasn’t peaked yet, but as stated he’s been playing as well as anyone post ASB

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To put this efficiency in context: In 30 fewer minutes, Ingram scored two more points than Giannis Antetokounmpo in crunch time.


So in short he’s been as good as anyone in the league, including a multiple time MVP and champion.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112854 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 12:23 am to
Name the last team to win a title whose best player wasn't as good as BI...
Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
The Garden
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 4/13/23 at 12:35 am to
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Name the last team to win a title whose best player wasn't as good as BI...


Exactly shel. You’re out of rebuttals for actual data…so some anecdotal zero context question on repeat. Then you’ll call for a ban or whatever.

Your question is immaterial. As it wouldn’t matter what team and player from the past has accomplished & has exactly zero bearing on the present or future.

Brandon Ingrams finish to the 2023 season proved he was as good as anyone in the league and the data backs it up. So if he’s playing as well as Giannis, he’s good enough to win a championship. At 25
This post was edited on 4/13/23 at 12:38 am
Posted by Pistol44
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2019
2305 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 12:36 am to
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This particular roster, for the second straight postseason, doesn’t have a power forward nor any rim protection


For sure, not too many NBA players getting put in a box and 1 on a consistent basis. That alone tells you the level of respect he has in the league. The crazy thing was Pels never figured out how to counter. Along with a consistent 4, this team needs a lead guard badly.



This post was edited on 4/13/23 at 12:39 am
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112854 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 7:27 am to
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Exactly shel. You’re out of rebuttals for actual data…so some anecdotal zero context question on repeat
You can't answer, I've proven my point.

Don't play dumb, you refuse to answer because you know what it shows. We don't have to pretend it's any other reason.

You can think of maybe 1 team over a span of decades that won a title with a player less than the caliber of BI, and that team had an all time level defense.

It's ok to answer and take your lumps instead of running away from it
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Then you’ll call for a ban or whatever.
What are you talking about? You're going off the rails right now, not even making sense.
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Brandon Ingrams finish to the 2023 season proved he was as good as anyone in the league
You heard it here first, no one in the league is better than Brandon Ingram!!! You just can't get top level basketball analysis better than that.
This post was edited on 4/13/23 at 7:48 am
Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
The Garden
Member since May 2018
9395 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 10:46 am to
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Don't play dumb, you refuse to answer because you know what it shows. We don't have to pretend it's any other reason.


Lol, what a dumb response. The question is irrelevant as I stated why and you quoted everything else in my post but that. Talk about running and not taking your lumps…this is why you lose.
There’s data that shows Brandon has been as good as anyone in the league and you have nothing to refute that. See ya.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112854 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 10:55 am to
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There’s data that shows Brandon has been as good as anyone in the league and you have nothing to refute that. See ya
A small sample size of an even smaller sample size, yes. The data is great, a positive sign. But it's completely laughable to insinuate no one is better than Brandon Ingram based on a tiny sample size of data.

Do you think no one in the NBA has been better than CP3 over the years? Yes or no...Or you can tell me it's "irrelevant" because you can't follow the logic trail.

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Lol, what a dumb response. The question is irrelevant as I stated why and you quoted everything else in my post but that. Talk about running and not taking your lumps…this is why you lose.
Name the player or team...go

You can't, that's why you look foolish right now.

Hell, I'll give you an out and then you can't make that dumb excuse. Name all the players who have won a title as the #1 option in the last 30-40 years that you think BI will eventually be better than..

Go!!!
This post was edited on 4/13/23 at 10:57 am
Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
The Garden
Member since May 2018
9395 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 11:09 am to
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A small sample size of an even smaller sample size, yes. The data is great, a positive sign. But it's completely laughable to insinuate no one is better than Brandon Ingram based on a tiny sample size of data.


That’s not the goal post Shel. Poor attempt. The question is he good enough to win a championship. He’s playing as good as anyone in the league at the end of 2023 season, we’ve seen it last year as well. Dismissing the evidence won’t get you far in this.

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Name the player or team...go You can't, that's why you look foolish right now. Hell, I'll give you an out and then you can't make that dumb excuse. Name all the players who have won a title as the #1 option in the last 30-40 years that you think BI will eventually be better than.. Go!!!


And here we go, ad nauseum. The question is irrelevant and illogical. . It has no bearing on anything in the present or future. You look foolish right now.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112854 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 11:23 am to
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That’s not the goal post Shel.
You're the one who brought that specific data up, not me

You bring the data up, I respond to it, and now i've moved the goalposts...what?

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And here we go, ad nauseum. The question is irrelevant and illogical. . It has no bearing on anything in the present or future. You look foolish right now.
LOL


If a guy on a tiny sample size makes you say no one is better than him, then what if another guy does the same thing but on a sample size of YEARS, is no one better than him? Yes or no...Let me guess that's "irrelevant" because anything that blows up something you say, you think you can just call it irrelevant and that magically makes you correct, right?
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
52282 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 11:25 am to
can't win a title without winning the game.
Posted by tucoco
Las Vegas
Member since Mar 2021
7500 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 11:27 am to
That guy Dort showed you how to guard Ingram last nite, you have to get physical with him, it takes him out of his game because it bothers him with his slight frame. Dort was in his head last nite and you could clearly see it, but even with Dort bothering him he was still effective. The problem is Zion's fat arse, he needs to be out there helping Ingram by taking that pressure off of Ingram. Ingram can really operate if Zion is taking some of the load off of him, they wouldn't be able to key on Ingram like they were doing last nite. If he can go out there and put on a dunk show before the game, he can get out there and play and help his teammate, stop with these BS excuses about mentally you're not right.
This post was edited on 4/13/23 at 11:41 am
Posted by Balsamic_duck
Member since Jun 2017
4453 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 11:30 am to
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That guy Dort showed you how to guard Ingram last nite, you have to get physical with him, it takes him out of his game because it bothers him with his slight frame. Dort was in his head last nite and you could clearly see it.


And BI put up 30/6/7 on 53% from the field
Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
The Garden
Member since May 2018
9395 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 11:32 am to
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You're the one who brought that specific data up, not me You bring the data up, I respond to it, and now i've moved the goalposts...what?


Reading is very hard for you.
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If a guy on a tiny sample size makes you say no one is better than him, then what if another guy does the same thing but on a sample size of YEARS, is no one better than him? Yes or no...Let me guess that's "irrelevant" because anything that blows up something you say, you think you can just call it irrelevant and that magically makes you correct, right?


There you go, trying to move it.

Your original ridiculous question is out the window it seems. You lost that one.

As far as the data, it’s not the first time he’s played at an MVP level. He did it last year as well.
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then what if another guy does the same thing but on a sample size of YEARS, is no one better than him?
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Yes or no...Let me guess that's "irrelevant" because anything that blows up something you say, you think you can just call it irrelevant and that magically makes you correct, right?


You know that has nothing to do with Ingram and his ability to be a championship winner-which the data shows he’s has been good as anyone in the league… so in order to deflate a rebuttal you answer your own question. Lol. Pathetic.
Posted by tucoco
Las Vegas
Member since Mar 2021
7500 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 11:33 am to
You didn't give me the chance to finish typing, I got interrupted. I said he was still effective if you read the rset.
Posted by 504Voodoo
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2012
13833 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 11:37 am to
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I’ve had it with our offense running through him.



Well, who would you prefer we go get? Because there are only about 5-7 of those guys in the league at the moment. They don't grow on trees.

In no particular order:

Giannis
Jokic
Embied
Steph
KD
Luka
Kawhi
Lebron (I guess you can't still rule him out even at this age. But granted, not at the level to those listed above.)

The guy we you want was sitting on the bench in street clothes and doesn't "feel like himself"
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112854 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 11:45 am to
New playbook, when you make an illogical argument you can't defend and get boxed in, just say everything else is "irrelevant"




Good talks...I mean not really, but you have admitted that you can't keep up with simple logic, so not much more to discuss here
Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
The Garden
Member since May 2018
9395 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 11:56 am to
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New playbook, when you make an illogical argument you can't defend and get boxed in, just say everything else is "irrelevant"


This is laughable. Nothing you presented was based in reality. You lost
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Good talks...I mean not really, but you have admitted that you can't keep up with simple logic, so not much more to discuss here


That’s your defeated post. See ya.
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