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re: Anyone see that Pelicans I.G. post of C.J. and Durant working out together?

Posted on 6/22/24 at 10:28 pm to
Posted by LSUGrad1995
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Posted on 6/22/24 at 10:28 pm to
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Posted by Epic Cajun
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Posted on 6/23/24 at 7:31 am to
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Because people finally stopped fighting over Dyson.

It’s not really worth arguing over someone who will never be more than a 7/8 man on this team…
Posted by htran90
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Posted on 6/23/24 at 8:58 am to
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It’s not really worth arguing over someone who will never be more than a 7/8 man on this team…


To be fair, it's as advertised. Elite defense, work in progress offense.

Issue is we should know who's our coach. Someone who doesn't give young guys room to grow and make mistakes.

I'm more tired of watching vets routinely play reckless and stay in for 20 minutes. But our young guys make a single mistake or a missed shot and pulled in 2.
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 6/23/24 at 9:39 am to
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To be fair, it's as advertised. Elite defense, work in progress offense.

Issue is we should know who's our coach. Someone who doesn't give young guys room to grow and make mistakes.

I'm more tired of watching vets routinely play reckless and stay in for 20 minutes. But our young guys make a single mistake or a missed shot and pulled in 2


Dyson's best games from 19-20 y/o

14 pts/ 8 reb/ 9 ast/ 1 stl/ 1-2 3pt

6 pts/ 6 reb/ 5 ast/ 6 stl/ 1blk

6 pts/ 8 reb/ 7 ast/ 2 stl/ 1blk

10 pts/ 6 reb/ 7 ast

10 pts/ 8 reb/ 7 ast/ 3 stl

14 pts/ 5 reg/ 6 ast/ 2-2 3pt 6-6fg


These are all stats of a player that is 3-4 years younger than (2) current starters.

The comment "he won't be more than a 7-8 man here" is just hate.

Either its because those people don't want him to be more than that here or because they personally don't think his value is that high.

He is already our 7-8 man.... He played 35min some games.

The best part is that many have said they want him to be our PG and he has been listed as a PG and can essentially cover 1-4 and yet we just have no room for him.





Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 6/23/24 at 9:40 am to
Everyone should have their own opinion. But if you are going to start arguing that opinion then you have to be aware of your bias.

I'm aware Dyson needs to work on his shot and has elite level defense. I'm also aware he is younger and can improve that shot.

The argument from the haters is that Dyson does not have a shot and because of that he's automatically right now at 21 y/o essentially peaked and we should cut our losses. They don't think that will improve much and they don't think his defense outweighs the lack of offense.

Which makes 0 sense again with the stats above showing how rounded his overall play is at 21.

I'd love to at worst have a 6th man averaging... 10/8/8/ 2-3 stls
This post was edited on 6/23/24 at 10:01 am
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 6/23/24 at 10:15 am to
All that, plus you'd be selling low on him unless teams see what some of us see with his potential. Dude can lock down almost anyone he goes 1v1 with and he's young. There's so much potential on an almost Trey Murphy level with him.
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 6/23/24 at 10:20 am to
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Why is this thread still at the top


Goddamn some of you guys need to chill the frick out. It's the offseason and traffic is slow af on this board.
Posted by htran90
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Posted on 6/23/24 at 11:02 am to
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The argument from the haters is that Dyson does not have a shot and because of that he's automatically right now at 21 y/o essentially peaked and we should cut our losses. They don't think that will improve much and they don't think his defense outweighs the lack of offense.


The same haters quit on naw and look at what he was for Minnesota.

The truth is, we as an organization are too impatient with young players. Aside from 3 guys who were "more mature" and a generational talent, we have yet to develop a single draft pick.

Eta: naw, hayes, Lewis, daniels, Hawkins - all young guys who need time.. Now all these guys may not be worth shite (Lewis, hayes) but we already proved we were bad with naw. Now we're about to do the same with daniels and Hawkins if we rather play jre, Marshall, and whatever random vet.
This post was edited on 6/23/24 at 11:42 am
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 6/23/24 at 11:20 am to
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The truth is, we as an organization are too impatient with young players


The other issue is not allowing the young guys to play or not maximizing their play.

OKC was very fortunate in how they drafted but all of those guys have been playing 35min a game together.

If all of our rookies are sprinkled in 10-20min with 8 different players (some that usually aren't in long term plans) it isn't doing shite.

All of those Dyson stats above were essentially games > 25min played.

I'm willing to bet our rookie usage #'s the past 5 years have been one of the leagues worst which is unacceptable considering the mediocrity.
This post was edited on 6/23/24 at 11:29 am
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 6/23/24 at 12:04 pm to
19 games > 25 minutes played: Dyson avg

30 min/ 8.4 pts/ 6 ast/ 5.5 reb/ 1.6 stl

64 FGM/ 137 FGA: 46.7 FG%

Kinda destroys the whole "no offense" argument. He needs playing time and time to mature.

That will be my closing statement on this matter.
Posted by Deuce McWin
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Posted on 6/23/24 at 12:38 pm to
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I remember when we had Anthony Davis . A.D.was working out with Lebron. How did that go?

Is what they were doing really considered "working out"?
Posted by LSUGrad1995
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Posted on 6/23/24 at 1:00 pm to
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Is what they were doing really considered "working out"?


This post was edited on 6/23/24 at 1:03 pm
Posted by Epic Cajun
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Posted on 6/23/24 at 3:55 pm to
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64 FGM/ 137 FGA: 46.7 FG%

What was he from 3 in those games?

ETA: I think I just counted 19/57 33%, I also saw that he shot 37% from corner 3’s this season. Maybe he should just shoot corner 3’s and forget about above the break.
This post was edited on 6/23/24 at 4:07 pm
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 6/23/24 at 4:23 pm to
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What was he from 3 in those games?

ETA: I think I just counted 19/57 33%, I also saw that he shot 37% from corner 3’s this season. Maybe he should just shoot corner 3’s and forget about above the break


Or mybe y'all should stop making set in stone opinions of a 21 y/o based off his CURENT 3pt shot, which EVERYONE knew was his biggest struggle coming into the league already...

Y'all entire "opinion" of him is based off of common sense knowledge literally everyone knows.

The only thing everyone else is trying to do is explain all of the other things he brings to the table.

If y'all's only evaluation of him is based on his first 2 seasons 3pt % @19-20y/o then y'all are fricking retarded.
This post was edited on 6/23/24 at 4:25 pm
Posted by Epic Cajun
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Posted on 6/23/24 at 9:55 pm to
I literally posted in this thread just to frick with you, hence the laughing emoji in my first post, and you’re still melting
Posted by LSUGrad1995
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Posted on 6/26/24 at 9:25 am to
It would suck if he got traded to one of our division rivals as WOJ has speculated.

Rockets interested in Durant or Booker.

WINDY now discussing it on First Take
This post was edited on 6/26/24 at 9:27 am
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