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After one game...I see exactly how opposing teams will defend the Pels...
Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:05 am
Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:05 am
Allow Boogie and AD to get their combined 60 points per game average and force everyone else to beat you. We will see this strategy play out all season long because we don't have a third option out there as a scoring threat. If we had that third option (Pointing at you Mr. S125M want to be paid top guard money Jrue Holiday), we would've won the game last night.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 9:09 am
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:09 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
You mean opposing teams will play small ball and have a 6'8" or smaller guy guard AD knowing we won't ever take advantage of the mismatch on offense, and they will score at will on offense b/c we don't know how to play team defense?
Not that hard of a strategy. We should be affecting the other teams lineup. Instead, teams won't give a shite who we have in the game b/c they know we won't do anything about it offensively.
Not that hard of a strategy. We should be affecting the other teams lineup. Instead, teams won't give a shite who we have in the game b/c they know we won't do anything about it offensively.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:10 am to TeddyPadillac
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You mean opposing teams will play small ball and have a 6'8" or smaller guy guard AD knowing we won't ever take advantage of the mismatch on offense
David Wesley alter?
Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:10 am to TeddyPadillac
We need one facilitator (a healthy Rondo) and one legit spot shooter (ain’t in the roster).
Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:14 am to TigerinATL
i said this all last year, and this offseason.
Watching the Rockets kick our arse with Ariza guarding AD all game is sickening.
David Wesley has been listening to me.
Watching the Rockets kick our arse with Ariza guarding AD all game is sickening.
David Wesley has been listening to me.
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:24 am to TeddyPadillac
What's funny is that to start the game AD looked like he wanted to take Jaymychal Green in the post and bully him. Maybe because he's heard all of the people say Green defends him well? But then as you said, he's got Chandler on him and he doesn't want to attack Chandler like he was Green?
Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:36 am to TigerinATL
I was excited to see the strong post moves early on as well.
The first quarter looked great, just like in the preseason games, then we looked like the Pelicans of old, same old shite.
The first quarter looked great, just like in the preseason games, then we looked like the Pelicans of old, same old shite.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:06 am to TeddyPadillac
Exactly. I don't understand why we look good in the first quarter and do all the right things and then we fall apart. It's a composure issue and obviously, our coach isn't a strong enough presence to bring everyone back out of it. Cousins, unfortunately, loses his cool so he can't be that guy to lead either. AD or someone has to be able to look at their teammates and say "Hey this shite ain't working, let's get back to winning basketball." We proved in the first quarter that it isn't a talent issue as much as it is a focus issue.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:09 am to ThePistol
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Exactly. I don't understand why we look good in the first quarter and do all the right things and then we fall apart.
Teams adjust. They take away what's making life easy on Davis/Cousins and force the other Pelicans to beat them. The other Pelicans suck. Davis and Cousins have to go into Godzilla modes to give us a chance, which is really hard on any night, especially when the zebras treat one team drastically different than the other
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:09 am to TeddyPadillac
Memphis adjusted and was pretty much crowding the lane all night. Davis and Cousins was blocked very often under the basket. They did not respect the perimeter and make both Davis and Cousins worked hard to get to the basket.
Davis shot was off last night so he was not effective from the high post. Everyone wants to point at Parson guarding Davis in the post but fail to acknowledge Memphis had 3 guys waiting for him under the basket. We had no help from the perimeter and Memphis certainly didn't respect anything outside of 18 ft.
Davis shot was off last night so he was not effective from the high post. Everyone wants to point at Parson guarding Davis in the post but fail to acknowledge Memphis had 3 guys waiting for him under the basket. We had no help from the perimeter and Memphis certainly didn't respect anything outside of 18 ft.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:14 am to supe12sta12z
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Everyone wants to point at Parson guarding Davis in the post but fail to acknowledge Memphis had 3 guys waiting for him under the basket
Maybe he shoudln't have been starting outside the paint.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:15 am to ShamelessPel
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Teams adjust. They take away what's making life easy on Davis/Cousins and force the other Pelicans to beat them. The other Pelicans suck.
That's fair, but it doesn't explain the breakdowns defensively, the arguing with the officials, and the overall lack of movement on offense after the first quarter. They looked completely different and don't think it was all due to Memphis adjustments. We have to learn how to play 48 minutes of good, solid basketball.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:18 am to TeddyPadillac
That would require an actually point guard who can get them the ball in the low post to actually work. Did you not see all the turnovers that happened because our guards couldn't get the ball to our bigs down low when they had position? It's not like we had a Frazier or Rondo who knows how to make passes in traffic. He'll they had major issues trying to get the ball to Davis on the high post. It was ugly.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:19 am to supe12sta12z
I'm not saying the adjustments didn't hurt, but to me the game started going down hill with about 4-5 minutes left in the first when Cousins goes from DPOY to a guy that looks winded and isn't trying as hard. Then his rest got blown up by AD's foul trouble. If they could have kept that defensive intensity up they'd have gotten more easy transition points and Memphis' adjustments wouldn't have mattered as much.
As bad as so many things looked I really think that defensive intensity was the blueprint they need to focus on. It was infectious too. In the 1st quarter the Pels were the ones getting the 50/50 balls because of multiple guys hustling to help. They were the ones disrupting the passing lanes and poking the ball out from behind.
As bad as so many things looked I really think that defensive intensity was the blueprint they need to focus on. It was infectious too. In the 1st quarter the Pels were the ones getting the 50/50 balls because of multiple guys hustling to help. They were the ones disrupting the passing lanes and poking the ball out from behind.
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:26 am to TigerinATL
I never thought it was sustainable. And still don't. This isn't a physical grind it out team and that's not the mentality of the coaching staff or the roster. We've seen them play that way in spurts but it usually looks very disorganized and usually leads to wearing themselves out at some point. That style of play won't work with this personnel and our bigs are too offensive minded to play that style.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:35 am to supe12sta12z
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That would require an actually point guard who can get them the ball in the low post to actually work.
You don't need an actual PG to make a pass in the post. You need a big man to post his man up, then you simply give him the ball. It's done very easily at every level of basketball by PG's, SG's, SF's, and other big men.
If the post player is having trouble getting position, or is being face guarded, then someone needs to flash to the high post, b/c when the pass is made to them, there's no one between the goal and the post player and it makes for an easy alley oop. But instead of moving or anythign, everyone on the court just stands there and watches.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:50 am to TeddyPadillac
When your only real threat is Davis and Cousins, your saw last night Memphis was literally abandoning their perimeter any time they get deep position. And when you have poor ball handlers and poor passers in traffic, you're going to see what you saw last night. They started out playing deep in the post and strayed as the night went on. I don't know what you're watching but it was an automatic turnover every time they attempted to pass the ball down low once Memphis adjusted.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:58 am to supe12sta12z
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it was an automatic turnover every time they attempted to pass the ball down low once Memphis adjusted.
As it's been in year's past. And that's what he was saying, if the pass isn't there you need to move on to plan B, have someone flash to the high post and move the defense. The problem is this team has never done well when plan A fails.
Last night for much of the game it looked like they were playing 3 on 5 on offense. Those back side guys need to move and get more involved or you're basically running a dribbling and passing drill.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:01 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
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Allow Boogie and AD to get their combined 60 points per game average and force everyone else to beat you.
Wut, how does letting them have their points, force other people to contribute; these ideas are conflicting? I think I understand what you're trying to say, but this makes no sense. What you mean, is force AD and boogie to beat them by themselves???
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:03 am to supe12sta12z
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When your only real threat is Davis and Cousins, your saw last night Memphis was literally abandoning their perimeter any time they get deep position
We arent' the only team that doesn't have great 3 point threats. When you don't have that, you need to not just move the ball around on offense, but guys without the ball need to be constantly moving to help create lanes and open shots. We dont' do that, yet we somehow talk about doing it all the time.
I heard on teh radio yesterday a recording of Jrue talking about the team wanting to have close to 300 passes a game. He said that is the biggest stat they look at after the game. I guess they just look at it and don't care b/c i highly doubt they get anywhere close to that number on most nights.
Teams did this to us all year last year. it doesn't appear we've learned anything. I'm hoping Rondo can change this, b/c Uncle Alroy sure as shite can't.
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