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5 Potential Offseason Paths w/o Jrue
Posted on 4/20/17 at 9:03 am
Posted on 4/20/17 at 9:03 am
Crewz/McNamara dropped an article this morning to discussing the various paths that potentially could be taken if Jrue were to indicate he's not returning.
I, for one, like his first scenario the best. Would be a very dangerous team and much better than this year's squad. Don't know the chances, but seems plausible.
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I, for one, like his first scenario the best. Would be a very dangerous team and much better than this year's squad. Don't know the chances, but seems plausible.
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Posted on 4/20/17 at 9:16 am to BallHawk
I like #3 the best. You basically turn Holiday and picks into Bledsoe, Barbosa, and Lance Thomas plus you still have the MLE to add a guy. It's a deep team with plenty of scoring, shooting and defense.
There are lots of interesting tidbits in the whole article though:
Asik for Wesley Matthews to give the Mavs cap space. Matthews isn't as good as he was preinjury but he's also not terrible. If the Mavs think they can upgrade him with cap space that trade doesn't sound completely crazy.
S&T Holiday to get a large trade exception while staying above the cap.
He lists Q-Pon in the rotation in the one scenario where he didn't trade him. Joel mentioned something about QPon possibly coming back the other day. I don't think the team thinks he's as dead as we do.
There are lots of interesting tidbits in the whole article though:
Asik for Wesley Matthews to give the Mavs cap space. Matthews isn't as good as he was preinjury but he's also not terrible. If the Mavs think they can upgrade him with cap space that trade doesn't sound completely crazy.
S&T Holiday to get a large trade exception while staying above the cap.
He lists Q-Pon in the rotation in the one scenario where he didn't trade him. Joel mentioned something about QPon possibly coming back the other day. I don't think the team thinks he's as dead as we do.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 9:17 am
Posted on 4/20/17 at 9:18 am to BallHawk
Option 5 is nice too.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 9:20 am to TigerinATL
I'm also a fan of Jonathon Simmons, so getting him would be a coup to me.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 9:21 am to BallHawk
I don't want jeremy lin. Do not want.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 9:22 am to whatiknowsofar
If Jeremy Lin were Ricky Rubio in scenario #1 it would be a perfect offseason. I'd take Lin though. He can score and probes a defense as good as anyone. He's a better, taller, more consistent version of Frazier IMO
Posted on 4/20/17 at 9:41 am to TigerinATL
quote:same, would actually prefer that happen lol
I like #3 the best.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 9:44 am to BallHawk
5 would be outstanding imo. Wouldn't have that true pg, but we gain shooters and play makers to spread the ball.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 9:53 am to TigerinATL
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I like #3 the best. You basically turn Holiday and picks into Bledsoe, Barbosa, and Lance Thomas plus you still have the MLE to add a guy. It's a deep team with plenty of scoring, shooting and defense.
He's been reading the love for the Bledsoe route on here.
I really turned to Bledsoe when he was shut down and McNamara had proposed a first for Lin. I like Lin and think he would do well on the team, but the contract situation makes it to where there is no way I would trade for him unless I redid a lot of other stuff. He would just hold too much power in negotiation next summer and we have seen what hapens with Dell when that occurs.
I wanted to trade Jrue for Rubio at the deadline. He has two more years left and I really like his game even if he isn't the greatest finisher, but I would prefer not to go under the cap. Doing a S&T with Jrue to an under the cap team and getting the trade exception would be nice if he is set on walking.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 9:55 am to TigerinATL
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I like #3 the best.
A little confused by this. He doesn't mention Lance Thomas "In", but then in the body mentions us getting him.
Then he makes no mention of anything happening to Asik but he's not on the roster. I'm assuming we just stretch him in that scenario and he just assumes we all know that.
The only part I don't like about 3 is the Asik factor. That's the only part that makes some of the others possibly more appealing.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 10:09 am to Fun Bunch
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A little confused by this. He doesn't mention Lance Thomas "In", but then in the body mentions us getting him.
I think the assumption is Holiday going somewhere else to get a near max ($30 million) deal. The Knicks don't have that much cap space, it's in the low $20's IIRC. So for them to do a S&T of Holiday at $30 they have to send someone like Lance Thomas out.
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The only part I don't like about 3 is the Asik factor. That's the only part that makes some of the others possibly more appealing.
If Asik's contract is grandfathered in and we stay above the cap I have no problem letting him be Boogie's punching bag in practice. Just imagine Charlotte missing the playoffs again and thinking about blowing it up. Asik + Moore + picks could get you someone like Batum. If you dump Asik now you get cap space that you'll only use this year.
I would feel differently if we were trying to become flexible and target John Wall in a few years. Then I think I go with the Rubio option.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 10:41 am to BallHawk
There are so many moving parts in these options that I have a hard time qualifying them as realistic.
I'd like them to do another one of these, but without any trades, because if Jrue walks, building this roster without any trades is how it will most likely play out.
I'd like them to do another one of these, but without any trades, because if Jrue walks, building this roster without any trades is how it will most likely play out.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 10:42 am to TigerinATL
3, 4, and 5 are all solid.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 10:55 am to TigerinATL
to be quite honest, i'm not a huge fan of any of those options.
I'd take #4 if I had to pick, followed closely by #5.
I'm not giving up a pick for Jeremy Lin, so those options are out the window for me.
I also don't believe a S&T is going to happen. Would be awesome if it does, but I just think the likelihood is slim to none.
choosing #5 means we likely won't have cap space to do anything of significance for quite some time, and without draft picks or young talent, makes it rather difficult to get better.
#4 seems like it would offer us the possibility to get better next year, and in two years have some cap space to make a splash in the offseason (JOHN WALL could be a real possibility, and there are guys like Westbrook and Thompson becoming free agents as well.
Wall/AD/Cousins, and it doesn't matter who else is on the team after that, but you'd still likely have Tucker and CJ Miles, and maybe Solo and Moore if they hadn't been traded already. hell you might have cap space the following year too to get another decent player.
They need to plan for the future. If this tandem of AD/Cousins works, big if, and they keep getting better, attracting a good free agent won't be that difficult, especially a Kentucky alum in Wall, and once you add one, and have the capability of adding another the following year, it'll be even easier.
I'd take #4 if I had to pick, followed closely by #5.
I'm not giving up a pick for Jeremy Lin, so those options are out the window for me.
I also don't believe a S&T is going to happen. Would be awesome if it does, but I just think the likelihood is slim to none.
choosing #5 means we likely won't have cap space to do anything of significance for quite some time, and without draft picks or young talent, makes it rather difficult to get better.
#4 seems like it would offer us the possibility to get better next year, and in two years have some cap space to make a splash in the offseason (JOHN WALL could be a real possibility, and there are guys like Westbrook and Thompson becoming free agents as well.
Wall/AD/Cousins, and it doesn't matter who else is on the team after that, but you'd still likely have Tucker and CJ Miles, and maybe Solo and Moore if they hadn't been traded already. hell you might have cap space the following year too to get another decent player.
They need to plan for the future. If this tandem of AD/Cousins works, big if, and they keep getting better, attracting a good free agent won't be that difficult, especially a Kentucky alum in Wall, and once you add one, and have the capability of adding another the following year, it'll be even easier.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:05 am to TeddyPadillac
If we S&T Jrue into another team's cap space for the trade exception, what exactly would they be giving up? Do they have to send back at least an imaginary pick or is the exception enough to satisfy trade rules?
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:09 am to SLafourche07
Depends on the team I think. If they have the cap space then no nothing has to be returned. Using the Lance Thomas example, if they have saying $10m in cap space but want Jrue at $20m then we make the trade they'd have to give Thomas to equally out to $20m. Make sense?
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:19 am to TeddyPadillac
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I also don't believe a S&T is going to happen. Would be awesome if it does, but I just think the likelihood is slim to none.
The benefit to a team like New York is it allows them to bid as much as Philly or Brooklyn. Why would Philly or Brooklyn do it? Because it doesn't cost them or Holiday anything. I don't think the team can cash in the good will it's built up to ask Holiday to leave millions on the table or stay if he doesn't want to. But I do think they've done enough to ask him to leave in a way that helps the Pels while not hurting Holiday.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:23 am to SLafourche07
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Do they have to send back at least an imaginary pick or is the exception enough to satisfy trade rules?
Yes, you always have to send something. If we're talking Philly for example who has plenty of cap space, they could just send a top 55 protected 2nd rounder in exchange for Holiday. A S&T like this really is an accounting/procedural thing that doesn't hurt the other team and could help them in a situation like New York where it lets them offer more money to Holiday.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:26 am to BallHawk
Yeah I understand that part.
I was just wondering if the team had enough cap room already. For Instance Jrue throws us a bone and says "let's do a sign and trade to help out the Pelicans because they helped me out during my wife's situation."
Would the other team have to give up anything? If not, then I could see it happening. Still unlikely, but possible.
I was just wondering if the team had enough cap room already. For Instance Jrue throws us a bone and says "let's do a sign and trade to help out the Pelicans because they helped me out during my wife's situation."
Would the other team have to give up anything? If not, then I could see it happening. Still unlikely, but possible.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:27 am to TigerinATL
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Yes, you always have to send something. If we're talking Philly for example who has plenty of cap space, they could just send a top 55 protected 2nd rounder in exchange for Holiday.
That's what I was wondering.
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