re: 2023 Pels NBA Draft Discussion

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I believe I understand the point you are trying to make that Kira and Jax are no good (agree to disagree). The point I and other posters contend is that Kira, Jaxson, and to a lesser extent, TM3 were drafted as projects with high ceilings. They were drafted with minimal college experience and all 20 or younger.

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and my whole point is that none of that matters, and if they were good enough, then they would have played more, but they weren't. It doesn't matter if you draft a guy who's 19 or 23, if he's good enough to play, he will play, which i have given a clear example with Jarrett Allen and Tyrese Maxey. Yeah the older guy is usually ready to play now, and might not have that higher upside the young guys does, but that doesn't change the fact that good players will always play, and crappy players will not (unless its a crappy team).

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Pels blunted their development in an attempt to win now once they saw what they had in BI and Zion

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We did not stunt their developement. They aren't good. If they were, like Jose and Herb and Trey, they'd be playing like Jose and Herb and Trey are, even Naji.
I'm not sure what you think player development entails, but it doesn't entail sitting on the bench a lot.
Rarely if ever are you going to have a guy just not play much at all, while he "develops" on the bench, and he eventually gets good enough to play an important role on a team. It's usually very easy to see the potential in a young player, and when that is seen they are going to get their minutes to earn more. And sometimes they hit a rough patch and sit for a while, which happens to many rookies, but the good ones come back better.
Kira and Jax haven't come back better. Nothing about what we did would change who they are.
Trey came back great, and has continually gotten better, as did Maxey.


I can tell you right now if Liddell stays around, and you don't see him playing much at all, it's likely b/c he simply isn't that good, b/c he obviously can't get it done in practice so why would they expect him to get it done in the games, but i'm sure he'll get his chances regardless.

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Results from a draft capital and player development standpoint is that adding and playing JJ, Temple, Sato, Bledsoe, Favors, and Adams for significant minutes was nill at best.

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I don't understand what you wanted us to do.
Do you want to roster only 8 guys? or do you want to pick up guys worst than Kira and Jax just to justify playing Kira and Jax?



I called it Kira's first year regarding his playing time. I pointed out how he was one of the last rookies to get his first nba minute, how he was getting significantly less minutes than most to start the year. Everyone said "well he's 19 blah blah blah and we don't have minutes to give him...." and i pointed out how Maxey and Pritchard had broken into their playoff teams top 8 already.
and i said it over and over again, that when you're good enough, you will get to play, and when you aren't getting minutes, it's usually b/c you simply aren't that good.

The draft is a crapshoot. oh well. move on. so our 13th pick didn't work out, bfd. we've got a 2nd rounder and 2 undrafted guys who are capable of giving us playoff minutes. that's a big win.

Just don't agree with your assessment Celtic-Dog, no worries. League is littered with players on 3rd contracts who came in the league with elite athleticism and had to develop their game, moreso than players w/o good athleticism but had decent skill.

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League is littered with players on 3rd contracts who came in the league with elite athleticism and had to develop their game, moreso than players w/o good athleticism but had decent skill.

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I agree that is likely.