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Posted on 1/12/22 at 12:52 pm to NOSHAU
The Raptors are a few hundred thousand over the tax line. They definitely don't want to be a tax team. I'm sure Nurse would be interested in NAW.
The Blazers are about $3M over the tax line. I doubt they want to be a tax team. Who the hell knows what they are about to do.
The Celtics are a little over $6M over the tax line. They probably won't be a tax team next year, but if they don't move Horford they'll have zero ability to add anyone other than minimums. They are due to make a big trade soon.
The Hawks are going to be a tax team next year with $152M on the books with just 10 on the roster. Gallo is only guaranteed $5M though, so i would imagine they would look to move him now if they can. Even if they kept him and only gave him the guaranteed money, they are still at $136M which is the tax line, and they need to fill the roster out, and then then have Reddish and Hunter to give extensions too for the following year, so they've got some moves they need to make soon.
The Nuggets are looking at $150M+ next year with 10 guys.
The Jazz really need to do something with Bogdonavich, and Ingles. Ingles is an expiring, and i'm sure they could keep him for cheap next year, but they'll be a tax team next year unless they get rid of Bogdonavich, same for this year. I doubt they want to do that this year if they think they can win and Bogdonavich is still doing well, but he's getting old. They are $16M over the tax this year, so only way to avoid that is to send Bogdonavich out for next to nothing. I don't think he goes anywhere this year, and they'll pay the tax, but he won't be on the Jazz next year.
The Knicks want to unload Fournier and/or Kemba so they can have cap space to use this offseason. Really sucks that Fournier makes about $100k over the TPE we have. I don't know if the $17,073,171 TPE already takes into consideration the additional $100k you can take back or not. If it does not, then we would have enough to take back Fournier. It would be dumb for us to not look to take back a salary like that for a 1st round pick.
The Blazers are about $3M over the tax line. I doubt they want to be a tax team. Who the hell knows what they are about to do.
The Celtics are a little over $6M over the tax line. They probably won't be a tax team next year, but if they don't move Horford they'll have zero ability to add anyone other than minimums. They are due to make a big trade soon.
The Hawks are going to be a tax team next year with $152M on the books with just 10 on the roster. Gallo is only guaranteed $5M though, so i would imagine they would look to move him now if they can. Even if they kept him and only gave him the guaranteed money, they are still at $136M which is the tax line, and they need to fill the roster out, and then then have Reddish and Hunter to give extensions too for the following year, so they've got some moves they need to make soon.
The Nuggets are looking at $150M+ next year with 10 guys.
The Jazz really need to do something with Bogdonavich, and Ingles. Ingles is an expiring, and i'm sure they could keep him for cheap next year, but they'll be a tax team next year unless they get rid of Bogdonavich, same for this year. I doubt they want to do that this year if they think they can win and Bogdonavich is still doing well, but he's getting old. They are $16M over the tax this year, so only way to avoid that is to send Bogdonavich out for next to nothing. I don't think he goes anywhere this year, and they'll pay the tax, but he won't be on the Jazz next year.
The Knicks want to unload Fournier and/or Kemba so they can have cap space to use this offseason. Really sucks that Fournier makes about $100k over the TPE we have. I don't know if the $17,073,171 TPE already takes into consideration the additional $100k you can take back or not. If it does not, then we would have enough to take back Fournier. It would be dumb for us to not look to take back a salary like that for a 1st round pick.
Posted on 1/12/22 at 12:56 pm to Macintosh
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Clippers seem like a team we can do that with now that Paul George might be out for the year. Take in Ibaka
The Clippers only have 2nd round picks to send out. We don't want that, or Ibaka. I'm not helping them out for a 2nd round pick.
You know exactly what would happen if we made that trade. Ibaka would say i'm not showing up. we'd release him, then he'd sign with the Lakers. I'd rather not have a 2nd round pick then help the Clippers save money and the Lakers add talent.
Posted on 1/12/22 at 2:28 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:It must not include that as Adams' salary is exactly $17,073,171. So, I would guess we could take back $17,173,171. Fournier makes $17,142,857. He would be a perfect fit if they were to offer him attached to a 1st rounder. We also have a $3.9 million TPE from the Melli trade last year. So, we could help out the Clippers by taking on Winslow or the Celtics by taking on Langford, 76ers by taking on Niang, etc if we can get draft picks attached.
The Knicks want to unload Fournier and/or Kemba so they can have cap space to use this offseason. Really sucks that Fournier makes about $100k over the TPE we have. I don't know if the $17,073,171 TPE already takes into consideration the additional $100k you can take back or not. If it does not, then we would have enough to take back Fournier. It would be dumb for us to not look to take back a salary like that for a 1st round pick.
Posted on 1/12/22 at 3:48 pm to NOSHAU
According to TradeNBA, the exception is not enough to take Fournier in.
We would have to send out Sato + about 5 million more (Temple or Hayes) to take back Evan.
We would have to send out Sato + about 5 million more (Temple or Hayes) to take back Evan.
Posted on 1/12/22 at 4:15 pm to Soggymoss
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According to TradeNBA, the exception is not enough to take Fournier in.
Larry Coon says you can add the $100k to it:
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As with simultaneous trades, teams are allowed to acquire an extra $100,000 -- so a $1 million credit can be used to acquire $1.1 million in salaries.
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If the trade exception is $17,173,171 with the extra $100k and Fournier's contract this year is $17,142,857, I don't see why you couldn't. Fournier has $1.5 million in unlikely incentives on his deal, I wonder if that would block it?
This post was edited on 1/12/22 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 1/12/22 at 4:48 pm to TigerinATL
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Larry Coon says you can add the $100k to it:
I know that is a thing, but as others have stated…it doesn’t work in the trade machine
Posted on 1/12/22 at 4:57 pm to TigerinATL
Looking at TradeNBA, looks like they don't add the 100k, and they have Fournier value at 17.1 million.
Playing around with it, I wonder if we could help Knicks accomplish their goal, get 2 1sts from them, AND still help Portland, get more assets and become a better team in the process.
This should be a legal trade:
NYK: Satoransky, Naji (or Didi, their preference)
Portland: Hayes
Pels: Fournier (TPE), Kemba, Nance Jr. 2022 Charlotte 1st, 23 Dallas 1st (or farther out Knicks 1st)
Pels do it because we add 2 1sts, get better this season, and add 19 million in expiring contracts to use next season, while still staying under the tax.
Knicks do it to get off contracts to make cap space for next season (as rumored they're trying to do), and also they create a 17.1 million TPE of their own, while saving 15 million this season.
Portland does it to get out of the tax, and also aquire a young guy that should be at worst an elite lob threat for Dame and CJ, if they decide to keep them. If not, they have a young big man to start developing for their rebuild.
Playing around with it, I wonder if we could help Knicks accomplish their goal, get 2 1sts from them, AND still help Portland, get more assets and become a better team in the process.
This should be a legal trade:
NYK: Satoransky, Naji (or Didi, their preference)
Portland: Hayes
Pels: Fournier (TPE), Kemba, Nance Jr. 2022 Charlotte 1st, 23 Dallas 1st (or farther out Knicks 1st)
Pels do it because we add 2 1sts, get better this season, and add 19 million in expiring contracts to use next season, while still staying under the tax.
Knicks do it to get off contracts to make cap space for next season (as rumored they're trying to do), and also they create a 17.1 million TPE of their own, while saving 15 million this season.
Portland does it to get out of the tax, and also aquire a young guy that should be at worst an elite lob threat for Dame and CJ, if they decide to keep them. If not, they have a young big man to start developing for their rebuild.
Posted on 1/12/22 at 5:09 pm to Soggymoss
I don’t know about Portland….they aren’t going anywhere this year. I would think they try to move CJ and maybe Covington this year…wait for Dame to Rehab, and then see where they stand in the offseason.
Dame could request out by that time, or if he is committed to staying there…then they will need to retool their roster, because CJ isn’t the answer for them to pair with Dame.
Dame could request out by that time, or if he is committed to staying there…then they will need to retool their roster, because CJ isn’t the answer for them to pair with Dame.
Posted on 1/12/22 at 5:30 pm to Soggymoss
quote:There is alot about TradeNBA that is wrong. They also say that Hart cannot be traded until March 3, which is incorrect. They have been very sloppy lately.
According to TradeNBA, the exception is not enough to take Fournier in.
We would have to send out Sato + about 5 million more (Temple or Hayes) to take back Evan.
Posted on 1/12/22 at 5:47 pm to Soggymoss
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NYK: Satoransky, Naji (or Didi, their preference)
Portland: Hayes
Pels: Fournier (TPE), Kemba, Nance Jr. 2022 Charlotte 1st, 23 Dallas 1st (or farther out Knicks 1st)
Pels do it because we add 2 1sts, get better this season, and add 19 million in expiring contracts to use next season, while still staying under the tax.
Knicks do it to get off contracts to make cap space for next season (as rumored they're trying to do), and also they create a 17.1 million TPE of their own, while saving 15 million this season.
Portland does it to get out of the tax, and also aquire a young guy that should be at worst an elite lob threat for Dame and CJ, if they decide to keep them. If not, they have a young big man to start developing for their rebuild.
wait a damn minute.
new york gets nothing.
you say pels get nice picks and fournier.
this makes no sense.
the knicks are tied with celtics for 10 or 11.
the playin is a goldmine.
anyhow the knicks can enjoy glory now. i dont follow knicks. i doubt their fans want to throw in the towel. is this your idea?
This post was edited on 1/12/22 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 1/12/22 at 6:02 pm to CelticDog
The Knicks would like to get out of Fournier’s contract. And for good reason. It’s being reported. I have no idea why we are talking about us taking that contract on. Mid first is nice, but That really locks us up. And if we ever do find that guard that we need, I’m not even sure Fournier would be in the future rotation.
Posted on 1/12/22 at 6:51 pm to TechTiger
CJ has a collapsed lung, I doubt any team trades for him with that condition, at least until he can come back and show he's able to play.
As far as Covington, they would likely have to take back a bad contract or pay someone to dump him to so that they can get out of the tax.
As far as Covington, they would likely have to take back a bad contract or pay someone to dump him to so that they can get out of the tax.
This post was edited on 1/12/22 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 1/12/22 at 6:54 pm to CelticDog
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new york gets nothing
They dump 93 million dollars of salary, that costs.
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you say pels get nice picks and fournier.
Fournier right now is considered a negative asset with his exorbitant contract, which is why they will have to pay someone to take it.
Also, currently the pick this year would be 19th, and next year's Dallas pick would be in the 20's. If anything that's a little low on the compensation side to take on 93 million in what's considered bad salary.
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is this your idea?
This is based on rumors that they want to dump Fornier and Kemba and not take back any long term salary to open up cap space for next year.
This post was edited on 1/12/22 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 1/12/22 at 6:58 pm to PELsu
You take him on because he's an almost career 40% 3 pt shooter that would be pretty much what we hope NAW is. Also, if you can rehab his image enough to where someone wants him, that's a large trade chip in salary.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 4:38 am to Soggymoss
I understand the economics but I think MSG would riot if the Knicks salary-dumped Fournier and burned a first-rounder to do it. They are in the playoff hunt and he is a key contributor. Hell, he dropped 40 something on the Celtics last week….
Posted on 1/13/22 at 6:44 am to New City Champ
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Hell, he dropped 40 something on the Celtics last week….
on 15 for 25 shooting.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 6:56 am to New City Champ
Outside of a couple games where he got hot shooting, he's offered absolutely nothing else. Knicks know they messed up signing him to that big deal, and there's been alot of fans turning on the players there, even on Randle, and most of them are wanting to dump guys.
I don't think there would be any backlash, especially considering they would still have their own full slew of picks to use in trades while gaining a sizeable TPE to use this offseason.
I don't think there would be any backlash, especially considering they would still have their own full slew of picks to use in trades while gaining a sizeable TPE to use this offseason.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 10:32 am to Soggymoss
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ESPN Sources: The Atlanta Hawks are trading forward Cam Reddish to the New York Knicks for a deal that includes a protected 2022 first-round pick via Charlotte. Knicks also acquire Solomon Hill and a 2025 second-round pick via Brooklyn in trade.
This is a good deal for Knicks, I don't know why we couldn't do that.
This post was edited on 1/13/22 at 10:33 am
Posted on 1/13/22 at 10:33 am to Soggymoss
The Zion to Knicks shite about to be pumped like crazy now since his duke teammates there
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