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Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:52 pm to
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:52 pm to
good dude.
hope he fails though...

they’ll probably stick him with a retread as lead assistant
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 5/27/22 at 8:03 pm to
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Ham takes a no win job scenario as his first job



Lakers are going to swing a big deal this summer and add players. James is already working his connections. Hopefully they all blow up. But they are not standing pat.

If they don't trade Westbrook to Houston. Wall is probably getting bought out. Then he gets to sign wherever he wants, which would probably be LA. Everybody was pushing the Lakers to send picks to get Wall and they will probably get him for a minimum contract..
Posted by saintsfan22
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Posted on 5/27/22 at 8:25 pm to
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If they don't trade Westbrook to Houston. Wall is probably getting bought out. Then he gets to sign wherever he wants, which would probably be LA. Everybody was pushing the Lakers to send picks to get Wall and they will probably get him for a minimum contract..


So Wall and Westbrook both on the team? They better find history's greatest 3 and D guy to make up for that lineup.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 5/27/22 at 8:38 pm to
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So Wall and Westbrook both on the team


No, probably not. I am thinking they are leaning towards trading Westbrook now. Hiring Ham was something James wanted. So he still has power. I think he'll convince them to trade the future picks, along with Westbrook, to get another player(s).
Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
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Posted on 5/27/22 at 10:01 pm to
Might be the other way. Give him the coach he wants but tells him to make it work with Russ because they're not trading a pick.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 5:44 am to
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Might be the other way. Give him the coach he wants but tells him to make it work with Russ because they're not trading a pick.



True. We shall see.

I believe they want James to sign an extension of at least a year. Maybe that will be the next domino to fall. He signs a one year extension. Then they trade Westbrook.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 8:48 am to
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I think he'll convince them to trade the future picks, along with Westbrook, to get another player(s)
That won't get them a big time player.

I believe they only have two 1sts to work with. At least 1 has to be attached to take Westbrook. So you only have 1 more 1st and no other good player assets to send over.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 9:11 am to
They can trade 2027 and 2029 outright.

I believe they can offer swaps on 26 and 28.

They aren’t allowed to do anything with 24 or 25 until we exercise our deferral option, so they can’t even offer swap rights on those IIRC.


They have slightly more assets than are evident but it won’t get them much because swaps are a sideshow to actual pick and trading good players to them makes the swaps worth less.


Potentially they send Westbrook out for swaps and taking on some bad contracts in order to save the 27 and 29 picks for other targets.
Posted by Solo
Member since Aug 2008
8246 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 10:19 am to
The Lakers are so desperate, and I’m here for it.

If they were smart, they’d ride it out this year. Then they’d have a much easier time hitting the reset button, but LeGM isn’t going to let that happen. It’s glorious.
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 12:02 pm to
frick em!
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
39224 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 12:05 pm to
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If they were smart, they’d ride it out this year. Then they’d have a much easier time hitting the reset button, but LeGM isn’t going to let that happen. It’s glorious.

right...the smart play is to ride this year out, get James extended on a 1/1, and try and get injury luck. And if it falls apart again so be it they are no worse off. They ain’t getting a lottery pick next year no matter what.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9869 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 12:09 pm to
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They have slightly more assets than are evident but it won’t get them much because swaps are a sideshow to actual pick and trading good players to them makes the swaps worth less.


A team can literally buy 1st and 2nd round picks. They just have to be willing to spend. The media has been hammering the Buss family for weeks. So it looks like they are going to go along with whatever makes it seem like they are all in. Including spending a bunch in salary.

The deals hanging out for Westbrook seem to be from the Pacers and Hornets. They can trade Westbrook, Nunn and the 2 future 1sts for Brogdan, Heild and McConnell. Resign Monk, Anthony and Howard. Then fill out the rest of the roster with minimum level guys.

If James signs a 1 year extension, they will have a 2 year window where they will be a competitive team and possibly a playoff team. Definitely better than last season..
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 1:16 pm to
I believe the “cash considerations” limit is about $5m per season.

Buying seconds is possible and cheaper than signing FAs.

Firsts? You can buy a first but the going rate was about $2m or so for a late first IIRC. And the limiter on that is that any first they use, rather than trade, will have a guaranteed contract. Teams have gotten to where they would rather have a high 2nd than a low 1st because of that, unless they have a draft-and-stash in mind.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 1:19 pm to
The most they can pay Monk is the taxpayer MLE because they have no Bird rights on him. And Monk likely earned more than that by being one of the best players of a shite team last season.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9869 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 1:47 pm to
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Firsts? You can buy a first but the going rate was about $2m or so for a late first IIRC. And the limiter on that is that any first they use, rather than trade, will have a guaranteed contract. Teams have gotten to where they would rather have a high 2nd than a low 1st because of that, unless they have a draft-and-stash in mind.


Great information. I just looked it up and it was 5.9 last season. We sold a 2nd for 2M last year. But I guess they could still gets a couple 2nds, if they wanted..
Posted by cgrand
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 1:59 pm to
lakers have about 4MM left to spend.
they can and probably will buy two 2nds. Hell they probably can buy one from us
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
39224 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:45 pm to
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Perhaps their talk is just for show, and the Lakers are spending the opening months of the offseason building up a facade of seriously considering keeping Russ. The more they can convince teams that they believe in their future with him on the roster, the more leverage they create for a potential trade.

seeing a lot of this...but that doesnt make any sense.
why would other teams care if the lakers keep westbrook? honestly, the 29 other teams probably WANT them to keep him. i know we do.

if the lakers arent going to include a future 1st with westbrook, there isnt any trade market there
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
3676 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 5:21 pm to
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one of the best players for the LAKERS



This is kind of wild--all-season people were jumping up and down about how well he's played and how big his next contract will be. But his numbers are nearly identical! No major improvement happened to him and what he brings to a team. the only thing that changed is that he played a shite ton of national games so ppl saw him more.

He's the same guy he was in Charlotte.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
39224 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:06 pm to
POVERTY FRANCHISE

darren rovell:
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Confirmed that the Los Angeles Lakers were the only NBA team to ask for a Paycheck Protection Plan loan from the Small Business Administration. They received $4.6M and, as first reported by @kevinarnovitz, they have now returned it.

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Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, via Fred Imbert of CNBC: “I’m not a big fan of the fact that they took a $4.6 million,” Mnuchin told CNBC’s “Squawk Box.” “I think that’s outrageous.” Mnuchin added he “would have never expected in a million years that the Los Angeles Lakers” would take such a loan. He also said he was glad the team returned the money, “or they would have had liability.”
Posted by Sauce Castieaux
Asheville, NC.
Member since Nov 2015
5038 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:23 pm to
Yep, also this is fun

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