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re: Why is Peter Cetera given so little credit as a bassist?

Posted on 7/22/25 at 9:05 am to
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
46225 posts
Posted on 7/22/25 at 9:05 am to
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plus it SOLD, which I'm sure the band loved.
well yeah. Chicago would have been dropped from their label and become a dick Clark oldies band without those songs. I do recall that cetera wanted a band/solo arrangement similar to what Phil Collins and Genesis did, or Stevie Nicks and Fleetwood Mac, but the rest of the band didn’t agree, so he left. And that was the end of Chicago as a best selling recording artist for all intents and purposes
Posted by Palomitz
Miami
Member since Oct 2009
2652 posts
Posted on 7/22/25 at 1:59 pm to
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well yeah. Chicago would have been dropped from their label and become a dick Clark oldies band without those songs


Exactly, and people heavily criticize Chicago & Cetera for recording these ballads but forget or do not know that their original record label dropped them. Their 2 previous albums that they released prior to bringing David Foster tanked. Then Foster came, changed up the formula by using less brass and more pop type songs. Thanks to him, the band emerged again and started selling millions of albums.

I've been following Peter Cetera on social media. He retired about 6 years ago and enjoys his quiet life up in the mountains of Utah. The rest of the Chicago band I never cared for, and knowing that the original founding members are bunch of egomaniac jerks, I have no desire for their careers.

Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
46225 posts
Posted on 7/22/25 at 3:12 pm to
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the original founding members are bunch of egomaniac jerks
where are you getting that from? Lamm, Pankow and Loughnane (the three guys still there from the beginning) are well respected and wrote or co wrote the majority of the classic Chicago songbook. I don’t remember cetera’s departure being all that acrimonious they just didn’t want to be cetera’s part-time bandmates.
Posted by VinegarStrokes
Georgia
Member since Oct 2015
14045 posts
Posted on 7/22/25 at 3:20 pm to
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Thanks to him, the band emerged again and started selling millions of albums.


Meh...I would have preferred they disbanded after Kath died. They would likely get back together at some point like every other band from that period. Chances are you still have Seraphine if that happens and might even have Cetera.

They might have sold millions of records again, but the "changed up formula using less brass and more pop type songs" was not good Chicago music.

Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
Foggy Bottom Law School
Member since Nov 2013
47142 posts
Posted on 7/22/25 at 4:26 pm to
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Imo, his best song was "Wishing You Were Here".




one of my favorites ever
Posted by leeman101
Huntsville, AL
Member since Aug 2020
2386 posts
Posted on 7/22/25 at 4:51 pm to
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Chicago was a horn band and for the most part their music did not feature the bass.


This

I think his singing style carried them into the 80's with the golden days of Mtv. Evolve or get stuck.
Posted by tiggerfan02 2021
HSV
Member since Jan 2021
3861 posts
Posted on 7/22/25 at 10:19 pm to
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I cannot recall a single CHICAGO song where the bass is even an afterthought.


You should listen to the original album, Chicago Transit Authority.
It showcases just how good all of them were as musicians.
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
56688 posts
Posted on 7/23/25 at 8:10 am to
Michael McDonald, Peter Ceterra, and Dennis Deyoung.

All ruined their bands by becoming crooners.
Posted by Shexter
Prairieville
Member since Feb 2014
19054 posts
Posted on 7/23/25 at 8:38 am to
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Carol Kaye is an American musician. She is one of the most prolific recorded bass guitarists in rock and pop music, playing on an estimated 10,000 recordings in a career spanning over 65 years.


Studio bassist who is on many recordings and no one knows it.
Then the bass players of bands just copied what she composed.

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According to the New York Times, she played on 10,000 recording sessions. She appeared on sessions by Frank Sinatra, Simon & Garfunkel, Stevie Wonder, Barbra Streisand, The Supremes, The Temptations, the Four Tops and The Monkees. She played electric bass on Nancy Sinatra's "These Boots Are Made for Walkin'", while Chuck Berghofer played double bass. She also came up with the introduction on fellow session player Glen Campbell's hit "Wichita Lineman". Kaye later said that during the 1960s, she would sometimes play three or four sessions per day, and was pleased that so many of them created hit records

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Through her work with Spector, Kaye caught the attention of The Beach Boys' Brian Wilson; Wilson used her on several sessions, including the albums Beach Boys Today, Summer Days (and Summer Nights!!), Pet Sounds and Smile. Kaye's bass lines have been described as "the driving force" behind Good Vibrations, a number 1 hit and the band's best selling single

This post was edited on 7/23/25 at 8:43 am
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
17219 posts
Posted on 7/23/25 at 10:44 am to
Lamm is an a-hole. This is per Danny Serafin as well as Bill Champlin.

Lamm lead the push to throw Serafin out of the band because he was against programmed drum machines.

Truth be told, although they started making sappy music in the 80s, when Cetera left, the band went to complete shite.
This post was edited on 7/23/25 at 10:45 am
Posted by Rhio
Lake Charles
Member since Dec 2013
1423 posts
Posted on 7/23/25 at 11:37 am to
Oh wow, he ruined the only Chicago song I actually like.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
24826 posts
Posted on 7/23/25 at 12:20 pm to
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Foster is a clown


Foster is an incredibly talented individual, the problem with his handling of Chicago was the fact that he cared more about making money than he did about preserving the sound of the band.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3442 posts
Posted on 7/23/25 at 2:48 pm to
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Because he went on to record sappy and awful prom/wedding ballads that are now ingrained in our heads which we will forever remember him by.



But you like Cetera... because the ladies like Cetera, therefore YOU like Cetera...
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