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re: Why is modern pop music so terrible?
Posted on 9/4/17 at 2:12 am to parrothead
Posted on 9/4/17 at 2:12 am to parrothead
Almost all of what people have put in this thread to oppose the OP is not "pop" music, which is his point. Pop music is soulless, manufactured shite!!!
Only one that is pop is in BOLD and i have to agree about it being a timeless song, but it is the exception, not the norm in today's age.
quote:- NOT POP MUSIC!!!
Look up Jason Isbells lyrics to Elephant or Relatively Easy
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"Uptown Funk" by Bruno Mars
"All Alright" and "Heavy is the Head" by Zach Brown Band "Motivation" by the Hitchhiker
"I Hold Myself in Contempt" by Four Years Strong
"Hate It Here" by Wilco
"I was Born" by Menzingers
"Out of Time" by STP w/Chester Bennington
Only one that is pop is in BOLD and i have to agree about it being a timeless song, but it is the exception, not the norm in today's age.
This post was edited on 9/4/17 at 2:18 am
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Posted on 9/4/17 at 5:42 am to miketiger
because the new stars are more care about their appearance than the quality of a sound
Posted on 9/4/17 at 6:41 am to SUB
this
Yep, the brain-music connection, where people even with neurological conditions still associate past emotions to the music of the day. I'm not saying old guys don't experience new stuff or just are stuck in the past, it may be as simple as it takes more of an impression to create the emotional bond. The emotion quotient may get tempered to more you have to weigh it against, and those old ties were made when the emotional bucket was not as full. It may just be a type of musical maturation or sign you need to get off the couch and do more (of course - while listening to new music).
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... I feel that most people who share your opinion are older generations who can't get past the music that was popular or that they liked when they were discovering themselves, i.e. Adolescents through college. ...
Yep, the brain-music connection, where people even with neurological conditions still associate past emotions to the music of the day. I'm not saying old guys don't experience new stuff or just are stuck in the past, it may be as simple as it takes more of an impression to create the emotional bond. The emotion quotient may get tempered to more you have to weigh it against, and those old ties were made when the emotional bucket was not as full. It may just be a type of musical maturation or sign you need to get off the couch and do more (of course - while listening to new music).
Posted on 9/4/17 at 7:19 am to awestruck
Rock has been in a serious lull for quite a while now. We're way overdue for an early 90s type explosion. I really hope theres some angry long haired kids out there somewhere getting good as frick on some instruments
Posted on 9/4/17 at 7:40 am to Faceplant
We lost a generation of black men.
Anger and moralizing political views and macho self congratulatory pussy grabbers.
Some pop meets op's standards. Justin bieber lyrics re insightful, feeling.
There is a plethora of good music but there is a blizzard of bad to sift through.
Anger and moralizing political views and macho self congratulatory pussy grabbers.
Some pop meets op's standards. Justin bieber lyrics re insightful, feeling.
There is a plethora of good music but there is a blizzard of bad to sift through.
This post was edited on 9/4/17 at 7:42 am
Posted on 9/4/17 at 11:51 am to miketiger
The idea of music making more of an impression during formative years only really applies to the most passive music listeners. It is immediately disproven when an older music lover discovers maybe an older piece of work that he wasn’t exposed to and it gets ingrained simply because it’s good, not because it’s associated with the first hand job he ever got or whatever. That whole theory is complete bullshite and I’m embarrassed for anybody who buys into it.
There is a perfect storm of why music is bad at this particular time.
1. File sharing plays a part. It’s silly to think otherwise.
2. Classic rock radio has made musical achievements uncool. The fact that the most historically recognized-as-great music is constantly being played over the airwaves day after day ad nauseum was bound to eventually have a backlash. The backlash came in the form of hip hop and other pop music forms that purposely eschew substantive catchiness and logical melodic sense. If it sounds too good, it can’t be “cool” because it probably resembles classic rock too much and then, horror of all horrors, your parents will end up liking it. The style of pop music has painted itself into a corner in this way. It has to suck or nobody can pretend that it’s good, much like the emperor’s new clothes. Only in this case there’s no advantage to acknowledging that he’s naked.
3. Classic rock reached it’s expiration date right around the same time the alt-rock boom started the trend of moving away from traditional chops and song structures. Since each generation of musicians are most influenced by the one previous, it began a downward trend; influence of moving further away from what makes music musical. It doesn’t appear that we will ever reach the low point on that. By following that trend, the more skilled the musicians are, the more their music gets ignored by the music fan majority (i.e. the “pop” audience). Upshot: Skillful music sounds archaic to “popular” audiences.
The evergreen argument that “There’s good music out there, you just have to search for it” belies an extremely unhealthy state for music in general. If the music is actually GOOD, it should have some degree of popularity. At the very least it shouldn’t be such an easter egg hunt to get exposed to it. Genuine quality always finds it’s way to a relatively large audience. A large audience means that if you namecheck these supposedly great artists, it shouldn’t sound like Swahili to everybody.
(Sorry for the tl;dr)
There is a perfect storm of why music is bad at this particular time.
1. File sharing plays a part. It’s silly to think otherwise.
2. Classic rock radio has made musical achievements uncool. The fact that the most historically recognized-as-great music is constantly being played over the airwaves day after day ad nauseum was bound to eventually have a backlash. The backlash came in the form of hip hop and other pop music forms that purposely eschew substantive catchiness and logical melodic sense. If it sounds too good, it can’t be “cool” because it probably resembles classic rock too much and then, horror of all horrors, your parents will end up liking it. The style of pop music has painted itself into a corner in this way. It has to suck or nobody can pretend that it’s good, much like the emperor’s new clothes. Only in this case there’s no advantage to acknowledging that he’s naked.
3. Classic rock reached it’s expiration date right around the same time the alt-rock boom started the trend of moving away from traditional chops and song structures. Since each generation of musicians are most influenced by the one previous, it began a downward trend; influence of moving further away from what makes music musical. It doesn’t appear that we will ever reach the low point on that. By following that trend, the more skilled the musicians are, the more their music gets ignored by the music fan majority (i.e. the “pop” audience). Upshot: Skillful music sounds archaic to “popular” audiences.
The evergreen argument that “There’s good music out there, you just have to search for it” belies an extremely unhealthy state for music in general. If the music is actually GOOD, it should have some degree of popularity. At the very least it shouldn’t be such an easter egg hunt to get exposed to it. Genuine quality always finds it’s way to a relatively large audience. A large audience means that if you namecheck these supposedly great artists, it shouldn’t sound like Swahili to everybody.
(Sorry for the tl;dr)
Posted on 9/4/17 at 12:33 pm to RockAndRollDetective
quote:
The idea of music making more of an impression during formative years only really applies to the most passive music listeners. It is immediately disproven when an older music lover discovers maybe an older piece of work that he wasn’t exposed to and it gets ingrained simply because it’s good, not because it’s associated with the first hand job he ever got or whatever. That whole theory is complete bullshite and I’m embarrassed for anybody who buys into it.
There is a perfect storm of why music is bad at this particular time.
1. File sharing plays a part. It’s silly to think otherwise.
2. Classic rock radio has made musical achievements uncool. The fact that the most historically recognized-as-great music is constantly being played over the airwaves day after day ad nauseum was bound to eventually have a backlash. The backlash came in the form of hip hop and other pop music forms that purposely eschew substantive catchiness and logical melodic sense. If it sounds too good, it can’t be “cool” because it probably resembles classic rock too much and then, horror of all horrors, your parents will end up liking it. The style of pop music has painted itself into a corner in this way. It has to suck or nobody can pretend that it’s good, much like the emperor’s new clothes. Only in this case there’s no advantage to acknowledging that he’s naked.
3. Classic rock reached it’s expiration date right around the same time the alt-rock boom started the trend of moving away from traditional chops and song structures. Since each generation of musicians are most influenced by the one previous, it began a downward trend; influence of moving further away from what makes music musical. It doesn’t appear that we will ever reach the low point on that. By following that trend, the more skilled the musicians are, the more their music gets ignored by the music fan majority (i.e. the “pop” audience). Upshot: Skillful music sounds archaic to “popular” audiences.
The evergreen argument that “There’s good music out there, you just have to search for it” belies an extremely unhealthy state for music in general. If the music is actually GOOD, it should have some degree of popularity. At the very least it shouldn’t be such an easter egg hunt to get exposed to it. Genuine quality always finds it’s way to a relatively large audience. A large audience means that if you namecheck these supposedly great artists, it shouldn’t sound like Swahili to everybody.
That is what we call a truth sandwich
Posted on 9/4/17 at 12:39 pm to RockAndRollDetective
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The idea of music making more of an impression during formative years only really applies to the most passive music listeners
No
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It is immediately disproven when an older music lover discovers maybe an older piece of work that he wasn’t exposed to and it gets ingrained simply because it’s good, not because it’s associated with the first hand job he ever got or whatever.
You can't disprove something by using an exception to the rule. Most older people like music from their formative years for a reason. The few that are open minded enough to keep searching for undiscovered music, old or new, don't prove your point.
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1. File sharing plays a part. It’s silly to think otherwise.
File sharing helped make modern pop music terrible? Please explain.
quote:
The evergreen argument that “There’s good music out there, you just have to search for it” belies an extremely unhealthy state for music in general. If the music is actually GOOD, it should have some degree of popularity
I think you are confusing everyone. Pop music is a genre / style of music. Don't let the name fool you. Not all pop music is popular. You seem to be referring to music that is just popular now in general, no matter the genre, which is a whole different argument. So which is it? Modern pop (genre) is terrible, or just popular music no matter the genre is terrible?
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Genuine quality always finds it’s way to a relatively large audience.
Music quality is subjective, this is an impossible argument to make. I think Dax Riggs is a very quality musician but he by no means has a relatively large audience. He's not playing stadiums and huge venues, with the exception of some festivals.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 12:53 pm to miketiger
This is just more of the filtering effect of time. People always remember the past as being better than it was. They remember the good stuff and filter out all of the crap as if the crap never existed. The majority of pop music, going back even to the classical period 200+ years ago has always mostly been terrible. It's just that only the good survives in people's memories to where foolish people think that is all that ever existed back then.
What you are saying about contemporary music now is what people were saying of contemporary music when they were in the 90's, 80's, 70's, 60's, and on.
What you are saying about contemporary music now is what people were saying of contemporary music when they were in the 90's, 80's, 70's, 60's, and on.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 4:11 pm to Faceplant
quote:
Rock has been in a serious lull for quite a while now. We're way overdue for an early 90s type explosion. I really hope theres some angry long haired kids out there somewhere getting good as frick on some instruments
I think so. I believe the up and coming generation will revive rock. So many younger people I talk to who are musically inclined are inspired by rock and blues. The next generation will probably rebel from millennial values and produce some meaningful music
Posted on 9/4/17 at 4:36 pm to miketiger
There are some other reasons for the lack of diversity.
1. Homogenization and consolidation of radio. The same DJ covers different radio stations, often in different states. Playlists are standardized. DJ has little control over them and can't play anything off the list. Gone are the days when a DJ could turn you on to something he thought was cool. That means classic rock station plays top 500 of classic rock and you can accurately guess which song will be played when DJ announces an upcoming artist.
2. Songs are selected based on focus group polling all too often.
3. Clearchannel used to own the largest share of stations AND the company that operated concert venues. Almost a vertical monopoly.
4. It's hard to find new acts that are playing decent stuff. Radio is more tightly controlled and plays the crap this guy in the video complains of. Streaming is more popular than ever but if you haven't noticed, the playlist gets limited on your channel if you like or dislike too many songs. I have a Metallica channel. It plays about 15 different Metallica songs and that is it. Half the time in the last five years I have discovered new music thanks to this board.
5. Streaming and Google are making it tougher to make money so guess what? Fewer artists are going to go into the field. A song can get downloaded hundreds of thousands or millions of times but how much money does the artist see? Then there is Youtube. Let's be honest, Google is allowing and indeed encouraging people to rip off artists without any compensation to the artist on Youtube.
6. Bands aren't staying together as long once they make it big. Bands would stay together for 8-10 albums if they were successful. They would experiment, try out different influences. Now if they get big, it's one or two albums and splitsville.
1. Homogenization and consolidation of radio. The same DJ covers different radio stations, often in different states. Playlists are standardized. DJ has little control over them and can't play anything off the list. Gone are the days when a DJ could turn you on to something he thought was cool. That means classic rock station plays top 500 of classic rock and you can accurately guess which song will be played when DJ announces an upcoming artist.
2. Songs are selected based on focus group polling all too often.
3. Clearchannel used to own the largest share of stations AND the company that operated concert venues. Almost a vertical monopoly.
4. It's hard to find new acts that are playing decent stuff. Radio is more tightly controlled and plays the crap this guy in the video complains of. Streaming is more popular than ever but if you haven't noticed, the playlist gets limited on your channel if you like or dislike too many songs. I have a Metallica channel. It plays about 15 different Metallica songs and that is it. Half the time in the last five years I have discovered new music thanks to this board.
5. Streaming and Google are making it tougher to make money so guess what? Fewer artists are going to go into the field. A song can get downloaded hundreds of thousands or millions of times but how much money does the artist see? Then there is Youtube. Let's be honest, Google is allowing and indeed encouraging people to rip off artists without any compensation to the artist on Youtube.
6. Bands aren't staying together as long once they make it big. Bands would stay together for 8-10 albums if they were successful. They would experiment, try out different influences. Now if they get big, it's one or two albums and splitsville.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 5:14 pm to SUB
quote:
Music quality is subjective.
Incorrect, Wrong, False.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 6:23 pm to BigOrangeBri
quote:quote:
Music quality is subjective.
Incorrect, Wrong, False.
Music is art. And just like all art, whether or not it is quality art is a matter of subjective opinion.
After all, what is quality music?
You could say a musician's technical abilities make it quality, but there's plenty of good music by terrible musicians. Just look at punk music.
You could say the musician's ability to make a statement and connect to his/her audience with emotions and ideas makes good quality music. But there are tracks out there that I enjoy which convey ideas that I might completely disagree with. And yet, I choose to listen.
And so forth...
Posted on 9/4/17 at 7:19 pm to BigOrangeBri
quote:
quote:
Music quality is subjective.
Incorrect, Wrong, False.
Well there's two sides of music. Art and technical. If you're speaking only to the technical side I agree, but that's not what always makes a song great
Posted on 9/4/17 at 8:18 pm to SUB
quote:No.
You can't disprove something by using an exception to the rule. Most older people like music from their formative years for a reason. The few that are open minded enough to keep searching for undiscovered music, old or new, don't prove your point.
I mean, you're wrong about everything you have posted in this thread, but this was just the best example.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 8:45 pm to Peazey
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What you are saying about contemporary music now is what people were saying of contemporary music when they were in the 90's, 80's, 70's, 60's, and on.
Generally in past times in a period of awful music, movements arose like punk in the awful age of disco and alternative during sappy pop and cheesy hair metal of the early 80s.
I think the scene is set for another
Posted on 9/4/17 at 9:18 pm to miketiger
Pop music =/= new music. Fantastic things are happening on the Blues scene.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 9:29 pm to kciDAtaE
Lots of great new music out there these days and lots of whiny stiffs who are too lazy or myopic to find it or enjoy it.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 9:38 pm to CocoLoco
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There is so much good music out, but you guys keep saying this shite
True
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Look up Jason Isbells
Ya blew it
Posted on 9/4/17 at 9:54 pm to urinetrouble
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Lots of great new music out there these days and lots of whiny stiffs who are too lazy or myopic to find it or enjoy it.
This gets repeated ad nauseam like there's some secret millennial code that unlocks it.
There's an incredible amount of music being produced, some pretty good but artistically it's lacking.
Maybe people have found this obscure treasure trove and just decided it was just ok.
This post was edited on 9/4/17 at 9:55 pm
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