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re: Who was the most unneeded member of a group?

Posted on 11/27/24 at 7:41 am to
Posted by LSURoss
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Posted on 11/27/24 at 7:41 am to
Steve Gorman.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 11/27/24 at 7:46 am to
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Who was the most unneeded member of a group?


The bassist.
Posted by rebelrouser
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Posted on 11/27/24 at 7:55 am to
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Who was the most unneeded member of a group?


The bassist.


Chris Squire, John Entwistle, Geddy Lee, Chris Squire, Flea, Geezer Butler, Paul McCartney, Steve Harris, Phil Lynott, Les Claypool, and Lemmy Kilmister were hardly unneeded. A lot of band creation, writing, and playing style added to their respective bands in that list.
Posted by hogcard1964
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Posted on 11/27/24 at 2:46 pm to
A few come to mind...

Maurice Gibb
Tom Fogerty
Otis Williams
Sid Vicious
David Lee Roth
Dave Navarro
Howie Epstein
Pete Best
Stuart Sutcliffe
Linda McCartney
Yoko Ono




This post was edited on 11/27/24 at 3:59 pm
Posted by geauxpurple
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Posted on 11/27/24 at 5:32 pm to
Ringo
Posted by Chappy
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Posted on 11/27/24 at 7:03 pm to
Stuart Sutcliffe
Posted by hogcard1964
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Posted on 12/1/24 at 9:58 am to
David Crosby... In any group he was in.
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 12/1/24 at 10:50 am to
Robert Plant. Why does a band like Led Zeppelin need a tambourine player?
Posted by F1y0n7h3W4LL
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Posted on 12/1/24 at 2:55 pm to
Ike.

That's what Tina said.

Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 12/1/24 at 4:23 pm to
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Ringo
Dumb. No Ringo, no Beatles.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 6:16 am to
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He doesn't contribute to the songwriting process, his appearance and stage presence don't fit the band at all, and his basslines are entirely inaudible.


Frankly, I think this is passive aggressive on the part of Hetfield and Ulrich - Cliff died and they "replaced" him with Jason and (then) Robert. They need a bass player, but they don't really want one.

Just look how buried in the final mix Jason was for AJFA.

I like Metallica and all that, but the internal drama in the band, all the way back to Mustaine, is more appropriate to junior high school than a rock band.
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 6:19 am
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:22 pm to
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I like Metallica and all that, but the internal drama in the band, all the way back to Mustaine, is more appropriate to junior high school than a rock band.
Nah, this is a bad take. First of all, we're talking 40+ years. The band was barely fully formed when they made the (correct) decision to kick Mustaine out. Things were moving along spectacularly until an unimaginable trauma was visited upon the band. It's impact on an already badly damaged Hetfield is hard to overstate. Still, they quickly found a worthy replacement, and Jason lasted for almost 15 years (and he was NOT buried at all in Garage Days, which was prior to AJFA. I actually blame AJFA on Fleming Rasumussen).

James struggled with substance abuse all along (very hardly an outlier in major rock acts), yet had the courage to address these demons head on and fairly publicly. They hired Trujillo who has now been in the band for more than 20 years. What "internal drama" are you saying has happened in that period?

I would argue there's LESS drama than most big bands. No substitute singers, also out on tour with versions of the band. No spouse stealing/swapping, etc.

Beatles, Stones, CCR, Guns, etc. Certainly WAY MORE drama in those.
Posted by wesfau
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:33 pm to
Maybe more accurate to say "public drama" since they made a whole arse movie about it.

I say that as a Metallica fan.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:44 pm to
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Maybe more accurate to say "public drama" since they made a whole arse movie about it.
I mean, yes, it ended up in a documentary. It's not WHY they made the documentary. I commend them for showing the warts and all.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 7:25 am to
Meh. They never should have released that dumb movie. Killed the mystique forever.

And after the Napster thing...
Posted by BRIllini07
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 11:45 am to
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Current Metallica bassist Robert Trujillo. He doesn't contribute to the songwriting process, his appearance and stage presence don't fit the band at all, and his basslines are entirely inaudible


He plays Cliff’s lines better than Jason. (But RIP Jason’s backing vocals on Creeping Death).

Anesthesia and Orion are now regulars on tour. Anesthesia was shelved for Jason’s whole career (I think he’s on record for doing it once) and the only person to ever go for Orion live has been Robert.

Posted by PrawnMichaels
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:55 pm to
Dave Grohl on that first Foo Fighters album.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 2:29 pm to
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Meh. They never should have released that dumb movie. Killed the mystique forever.
The mystique?

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And after the Napster thing...
You mean the stealing?
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 2:29 pm to
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the only person to ever go for Orion live has been Robert.
The version at the end of the Through the Never movie is arguably the greatest live recording of any song ever.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 2:39 pm to
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The mystique?


I forget your age, but I assumed we are around the same age, with you maybe a touch younger, but they had a badass reputation, at least through the black album. Sure, Load/Reload had some folks do a double take, but that silly movie turned them into parodies of themselves.

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You mean the stealing?


There were ways to do things and attacking the fans was probably the wrong angle to take, at least in hindsight, wouldn't you agree?
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