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re: When did country die?
Posted on 9/6/25 at 2:46 pm to Fiddler crab
Posted on 9/6/25 at 2:46 pm to Fiddler crab
Great! I'm sure you play other instruments too.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 2:49 pm to auggie
Agreed. I listen to real non-Nashville country all the time. Yeah the rarely get put on if ever. Aaron Watson has a song entitled “Fenceposts” that encapsulates the difference between country and mainstream.
Good luck to you
Good luck to you
Posted on 9/6/25 at 2:54 pm to sledgehammer
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Good luck to you
Thank you.
I feel pretty good about my chances. The ones I entered are good songs, just not what I consider real country music, maybe 1 of them.
Anyway, I still pitch songs every chance I get. I just have different songs that I pitch to men and others that I pitch to women.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 3:01 pm to auggie
I believe that people who are song writers are born with a unique gift. It’s why not everyone can do it and those that can are held at a premium. Do you just write country or have you ventured into other genres?
Posted on 9/6/25 at 3:12 pm to sledgehammer
90% of what I write is country, but I write some CCR/ Tony Joe White/ Blackberry Smoke type stuff too, and even some old R&B type things.
I mostly focus on things I can pitch in Nashville, because it's more accessible to me than other music centers are. Plus I know it pretty well, I've been at it since the 80s.
As far as it being a gift, I don't really know about that, but if someone wants to do it, and wants to learn how, and they stay at it, things will start coming together. Anybody can do anything that they really want to do as long as they put forth enough effort and are willing to focus and learn.
I mostly focus on things I can pitch in Nashville, because it's more accessible to me than other music centers are. Plus I know it pretty well, I've been at it since the 80s.
As far as it being a gift, I don't really know about that, but if someone wants to do it, and wants to learn how, and they stay at it, things will start coming together. Anybody can do anything that they really want to do as long as they put forth enough effort and are willing to focus and learn.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 3:36 pm to auggie
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I mostly focus on things I can pitch in Nashville, because it's more accessible to me than other music centers are.
How’s that going for you? Most successful Nashville songwriters I’ve known have been on staff with a publisher. A few friends without contracts have had some success, but they live in Nashville. How do you get your songs heard other than through contests?
Posted on 9/6/25 at 3:52 pm to Fiddler crab
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How’s that going for you? Most successful Nashville songwriters I’ve known have been on staff with a publisher. A few friends without contracts have had some success, but they live in Nashville. How do you get your songs heard other than through contests?
I go and pitch at NSAI publisher events, and I know a few people who can get things heard if they like it.
I had a song picked up by Sea Gayle Publishing a couple of weeks ago, That's Brad Paisley, Chris Dubois and Frank Rogers company.
I pitched some stuff to Black River and Reservoir 2 days ago, haven't heard anything from anybody yet, but it takes patience.
I'm always meeting other song writers at events, some of them very successful. Some of them might say my name around maybe. Whatever I can do, I do it.
A staff deal would be perfect, I would love to make that happen.
I'm demoing as much as I can right now, so I have a wide variety of material to demonstrate what I'm capable of.
I have so many songs, I don't think I will ever get most of it recorded.
A funny thing, I have an acquaintance that I pick with sometimes, he has a direct connection to Jamie Johnson, can call him up on the phone, goes over to his house, all of that, but he won't hand off any of my stuff to him.
He's recently started writing himself, and I guess he considers me as competition. I don't know.
This post was edited on 9/6/25 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 9/6/25 at 8:18 pm to TheCenLACouyon
June 5, 1993 - the day Conway Twitty died.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 9:44 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
I was working as a DJ in Alexandria when Achy Breaky Heart came out. Lived out in the country, didn't have cable. People were calling the station, saying "Play that Achy Breaky song."
I'd tell em I'd never heard of it.
The video had been playing on CMT and the Nashville Network before radio stations ever got the song. First time I heard it, I thought it was a piece of shite.
I saw an interview with the writer. He said when he shopped the song around, one label guy told him privately, "Don't embarrass yourself by bringing us anything else like this."
I'd tell em I'd never heard of it.
The video had been playing on CMT and the Nashville Network before radio stations ever got the song. First time I heard it, I thought it was a piece of shite.
I saw an interview with the writer. He said when he shopped the song around, one label guy told him privately, "Don't embarrass yourself by bringing us anything else like this."
This post was edited on 9/6/25 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 9/6/25 at 10:32 pm to Jake88
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1985 or so.
I knew it was gone when this was aired as country music.
Posted on 9/7/25 at 3:12 am to auggie
Here's the thing, what "I" consider to be "real country" might differ from others perceptions. My country is 100% acoustic, unplugged, raw. No bluegrass crap. Lol in the last few days of posting, I realized my heavy use of emojis showed as question marks. What's up with that!? Anyhow, thanks for everyone's mature responses. Sure seems like I've hit more fellow Gen-X or elder folks who aren't quick to judge you than the football or sports teams. I joined TD a few years ago and after a couple of posts felt suicidal. I stopped the antisocial platform until my persona developed much thicker skin so I could nicely put others in their place or tiptoe off haha.
Posted on 9/7/25 at 3:28 am to FightinTigersDammit
That's good. Most of what Billy Ray put out was shite, including achy breaky heart. That's not pop. There are times when mainstream artists CAN be treated as country music(ians) but mostly they're simply pop, rock, bluey soul singers. Ryan (Upchurch) is a niche example. He thought he was Kid Rock (rapping) and then he laid down rock-influenced tracks -- the latter pushed me away most. Plus, I used to hang around a small crowd of rough rednecks who didn't know the difference between kid rock, jellypoop, Combs, and a few others. I needed to distance myself from those illegal gun carrying couyons.
Posted on 9/7/25 at 7:23 am to TheCenLACouyon
others to try
Zach Top
Lukas Nelson
Daniel Donato
Sierra Ferrell
Sierra Hull
Lindsey Lou
country music isn’t dead
Zach Top
Lukas Nelson
Daniel Donato
Sierra Ferrell
Sierra Hull
Lindsey Lou
country music isn’t dead
Posted on 9/7/25 at 9:38 am to cgrand
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others to try
Margo Price
Posted on 9/7/25 at 10:13 am to LuckySo-n-So
Very good suggestion, thanks
This post was edited on 9/7/25 at 10:14 am
Posted on 9/7/25 at 10:36 am to TheCenLACouyon
I play in a band and we play from classic rock to pop to new country. I was really surprised when learning songs how similar the new country stuff is to pop in structure, chords, progressions, what have you.
You can take these new country songs and just change the tone of the guitars and add a different vocal and it is just a standard rock or pop songs. When we do the new country songs I use a lot of overdrive and distortion to change up the character of the song, make it heavier.
You can take these new country songs and just change the tone of the guitars and add a different vocal and it is just a standard rock or pop songs. When we do the new country songs I use a lot of overdrive and distortion to change up the character of the song, make it heavier.
Posted on 9/7/25 at 10:53 am to TheCenLACouyon
There are a number of reasons country died, beginning with rap/hip hop effectively killing pop music, which in turn created a large class of young whites who suddenly didn’t have acts like The Eagles, Matchbox 20, Journey, Creed, Michael Jackson and others to listen to.
The bandwidth that had existed on radio for white bands from the 60’s through the early 2000’s was suddenly occupied by rap and hip hop. Young whites abandoned pop radio by the millions and discovered the newer country acts, many of which took their song writing cues from 70’s and 80’s white pop bands. In many respects it was the same music with a blend of fiddle and pedal steel added.
Combine that with the movement of pop and rock producers, musicians and song writers to Nashville from the west coast, along with the labels sending their pop producers to Nashville and ta da…..
Eventually country fell victim to the karaoke template used in selecting later pop rock acts. We don’t care if you can’t actually sing (we’ll fix it in the mix) or if you can’t write (we’ll put you in a writers group with 22 other writers)
Listen to Alan Jackson, “Here He Comes”. It pretty much tells the story. It’s like when a liberal Democrat leaves their home state because of taxes and crime, moves to a red state in order to escape the things they hate and continue to vote Democrat.
The bandwidth that had existed on radio for white bands from the 60’s through the early 2000’s was suddenly occupied by rap and hip hop. Young whites abandoned pop radio by the millions and discovered the newer country acts, many of which took their song writing cues from 70’s and 80’s white pop bands. In many respects it was the same music with a blend of fiddle and pedal steel added.
Combine that with the movement of pop and rock producers, musicians and song writers to Nashville from the west coast, along with the labels sending their pop producers to Nashville and ta da…..
Eventually country fell victim to the karaoke template used in selecting later pop rock acts. We don’t care if you can’t actually sing (we’ll fix it in the mix) or if you can’t write (we’ll put you in a writers group with 22 other writers)
Listen to Alan Jackson, “Here He Comes”. It pretty much tells the story. It’s like when a liberal Democrat leaves their home state because of taxes and crime, moves to a red state in order to escape the things they hate and continue to vote Democrat.
Posted on 9/7/25 at 12:53 pm to TheCenLACouyon
When it became "bad rock with a fiddle".
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