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re: What is Your Criteria for a Great Lyricist? And/or some Examples?
Posted on 6/2/13 at 4:37 am to BuccWildBammer
Posted on 6/2/13 at 4:37 am to BuccWildBammer
Thunder road - Bruce Springsteen
Most things from Brandon Boyd and Adam duritz
Most things from Brandon Boyd and Adam duritz
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Posted on 6/2/13 at 7:01 am to Lsut81
quote:
Maynard
Way up there.
Layne Staley is another underrated lyricist - certainly as good as any of the Pacific NW lyricists from that era (although AIC was not, strictly speaking, "grunge") -
quote:
We chase misprinted lies
We face the path of time
And yet I fight
And yet I fight
This battle all alone
No one to cry to
No place to call home
quote:
My gift of self is raped
My privacy is raked
And yet I find
And yet I find
Repeating in my head
If I can't be my own
I'd feel better dead
Combined with a perfect delivery, this song still amazes me with its emotional impact. The live version on Unplugged is one of the best acoustic/live/unplugged songs of all time.
Posted on 6/2/13 at 8:06 am to Draconian Sanctions
sorry i was hungover at work and angry yesterday, Nas's lyrics are great lyricism,i'm just not a big fan b/c i feel like he always talks in metafors and word play, and i prefer a more literal approach he's a legend though.
Posted on 6/2/13 at 8:56 am to inadaze
Great lyricist? 2pac? JayZ?
As a fan of Paul Simon this thread makes me want to cry.
As a fan of Paul Simon this thread makes me want to cry.
Posted on 6/2/13 at 9:04 am to inadaze
For me, Bernie Taupin has to be among the best. I can't think of a song that he wrote that I didn't enjoy.
Posted on 6/2/13 at 11:24 pm to Kafka
Big Tupac fan. Reason for me is Tupac had lyrics just so deep. You'll listen to a lyric and get the message. And then later when you listen to the lyric for the 1000th time you pick up even more.
"Military mind of a thug lord sitting in a cemetery crying/ I've been lost seen my adolescence calling for Jesus balling as a youngster wondering if he still sees us."
"Military mind of a thug lord sitting in a cemetery crying/ I've been lost seen my adolescence calling for Jesus balling as a youngster wondering if he still sees us."
Posted on 6/2/13 at 11:57 pm to Akit1
It's like when you're watching Tupac videos on YouTube and you're like, we really need to start making some changes...
Posted on 6/3/13 at 12:10 am to inadaze
Leonard Cohen
I think I may be in the wrong place....
I think I may be in the wrong place....
Posted on 6/3/13 at 12:56 am to urinetrouble
quote:
A big test for greatness is whether the words alone could stand up alone as poetry.
Tupac wrote lyrics that can pass this test, in my opinion. Here is an excerpt from "Still I Rise":
quote:
Somebody wake me I'm dreamin, I started as a seed the semen
Swimmin upstream, planted in the womb while screamin
on the top, was my pops, my momma screamin stop
From a single drop, this is what they got
Not to disrespect my peoples but my poppa was a loser
Only plan he had for momma was to frick her and abuse her
Even as a little seed, I could see his plan for me
Stranded on welfare, another broken family
Now what was I to be, a product of this heated passion
Momma got pregnant, and poppa got a piece of arse
Look how it began, nobody gave a frick about me
Pistol in my hand, this cruel world can do without me
How can I survive? Got me askin white Jesus
will a **** live or die, cause the Lord can't see us
in the deep dark clouds of the projects, ain't no sunshine
No sunny days and we only played sometimes
Posted on 6/3/13 at 1:16 am to Lsut81
Not to be a homer or anything, but Maynard. His lyrics shite on anything a rapper spits out.
Posted on 6/3/13 at 1:46 am to inadaze
i would like to throw big L into this discussion:
from casualties of a dice game:
from casualties of a dice game:
quote:
Me and my man was cruisin through the streets and everything was flowin nice
The corner's crowded, niggaz must be rollin dice
I parked the ride so my **** iroc can crash the lye spot
And i'ma gamble until he come back - why not?
Click-clack, cock the gat back, gotta be strapped
The game was mad packed, mad cats pockets was fat
They playin cee-lo, my dick get hard when I see dough
I bets nothin less than a g yo, you know my steelo
First I was losin then I started throwin headcrack
After headcrack, got my bread back, jumped in my red ac'
I'm waitin for my **** to come out of the spot
I see niggaz startin to plot, and I'm far from my block
Finally he walked out, told him, 'hop the frick in'
On my face he saw the grin and said, 'how much did you win? '
I estimated about, 45 maybe 50 g's
My man was hungry so I dropped him off at mickey d's
Now I'm alone, headin home to rest my dome
Spotted some niggaz trailin so I picked up the phone
Called bones, I said, 'yo son, I'm on the run
Need your help before I get done
Meet me downstairs, bring your big gun'
I don't believe this, this **** said he can't make it
Cause some bitch is in his house butt-naked
And then he hung up
And this supposed to be my man and he don't give a frick
That duck sold me out just to get a nut, what?
I'm cruisin fast and they still behind me
The same **** who I won the money from, and his grimy crimey
It's about to get, real hasty
Grabbed the steel, took it off safety
Cause I refuse to let these niggaz waste me
I started to cruise fast, then stopped short and made 'em crash
And now them figs is all bloody from the shattered glass
And one of them had passed, when his face smashed the dash I was injured too, leakin with a deep gash I ain't panicked,
I was quite calm
Couldn't use the right arm, so I grabbed the gat with the left
Walked up to the car the creep was stuck in the seat
Looked at him, shook my head then started buckin my heat
It's over now, cause both of these motherfrickers asleep
I think I'm dyin, I'm feelin weak out on my feet
But before I got some medical help, I had to catch a cab first
To one-forty-first and bradhurst
That's where bones live, walked in the buildin, staggerin
Lookin tore down, shot his door down and beat his whore down
From the look in my eye, he knew he would die
Started to cry, stuck the gat to his head and said, 'why? '
Then he offered me, all of his cheese
Then dropped to his knees and begged me please not to squeeze
Then his brains got blast out, he's arse-out, then I dashed out
Into the streets covered with blood, about to pass out
The hospital's up, a couple of blocks, I'm on my way but
Damn, here comes a couple of cops; I pulled out
And started blowin they started blowin back
I'm goin all out I ain't holdin back, I been to jail once and I ain't goin back
I kept shootin, one shot caught a cop dead in his top
The other pig ducked behind a big truck
I was bleedin real bad, and couldn't stop it
But still had the fifty thou' profit in my pockets
The coast was clear, so I jetted to a park that was near
Seen kids playin everywhere then threw the cash in the air
I watched all of them, run for they share
And all I can do was stare I got weak and fell on my rear
Now I can hear the sirens, that means here comes the jakes
But it's too late,
I'm knockin on the pearly gates
This post was edited on 6/3/13 at 1:59 am
Posted on 6/3/13 at 1:52 am to BuccWildBammer
Em slaughters both of them as a pure lyricist. That dude is a modern day Shakespeare.
Posted on 6/3/13 at 2:10 am to urinetrouble
quote:oh so you mean hip hop
Qualities of good lyrics:
-Thought provoking.
-Multi-dimensional or deeper meanings can be found.
-Clever use of rhyme and other poetic techniques.
-The message or story provide a unique perspective and isn't trite.
-There is an honest premise.
Posted on 6/3/13 at 2:16 am to BuccWildBammer
quote:
WTF you've never listened to Nas's Illmatic?
I said I haven't listened to the ENTIRE album. I've heard songs from the album, but not every word. The comparison to Finnegans Wake is specifically what made me use the word ENTIRE, meaning literally every word.
I am going to try to set aside some time this week to listen to Illmatic in its entirety, but if it's a bunch of self-aggrandizement, I'm going to be disappointed. I can take it in small doses, but when it's the overriding theme, I become disinterested.
Haven't heard of Brother Ali before, so I'll check him out, been listening to Mos Def for a while.
Posted on 6/3/13 at 2:39 am to inadaze
quote:Must have been born Robert Allen Zimmerman
What is Your Criteria for a Great Lyricist?
Posted on 6/3/13 at 6:56 am to MaesterMullen
quote:
His lyrics shite on anything a rapper spits out.
Agree... His shite goes really deep on so many levels
Two of the best are:
46+2 = Jungian Theory
Lateralus = Fibonacci Sequence
Posted on 6/3/13 at 8:02 am to SammyTiger
quote:
Leonard Cohen
I think I may be in the wrong place....
No, you're in the right place!
quote:
But I want to open this up to all genres.
Posted on 6/3/13 at 9:25 am to FootballNostradamus
Em isn't even close to being as deep as Brother Ali or Vakill
Posted on 6/3/13 at 9:32 am to BuccWildBammer
quote:that dude is the truth
Mos Def
Posted on 6/3/13 at 9:40 am to WestCoastAg
Big L was way up there as well Ag, I was so pissed he wasn't anywhere in the Biggie movie (neither was Jay) because Big L and Dumile (MF Doom) pretty much helped them along with constructing their freestyle game
Doom is also a very underrated lyricist because of his underground status and he's a guy that makes no qualms about it, he won't sign with a major label, if an artist wants to be on his album or have him on theirs they use one of his producers and he only uses guys that are fairly new or not as well known to help those guys out.
Here's some Daniel Dumile (Doom) bars:
Curls:
Villain get the money like curls
They just trying to get a nut like squirrels in his mad world
Land of milk and honey with the swirls
Where reckless naked girls get necklaces and pearls
Compliments of the town jeweler
Left back now-schooler trying to sound cooler
On the microphone known as the crown ruler
Never lied to ma when we said we found the moolah
Five-hundred something dollars laying right there in the street
Huh, now let's try and get something to eat
Then he turned four and started flowing to the poor
That's about when he first started going raw
Kept the 'dro in the drawer
A rhyming klepto who couldn't go up in the store no more
His life is like a folklore legend
Why you so stiff? you need to smoke more brethren
Insted of trying to riff with the broke war veteran
Spliff made him swore he saw heaven he was seven
Yup, you know it, growing up too fast
Showing up to class with Moët in a flask
He ask the teacher if he leave will he pass
His girl is home alone he trying to get the
If you want to sip get a paper water fountain glass
How I'm 'posed to know where your mouth been last
Hands so fast he can out-spin the Flash
Known to smoke a whole mountain of hash to the ash
Boom-bash leave the room with the stash
Assume it's in a smash, Doom get the cash
That's a freestyle - amazing, there's your modern day shakespeare
Doom is also a very underrated lyricist because of his underground status and he's a guy that makes no qualms about it, he won't sign with a major label, if an artist wants to be on his album or have him on theirs they use one of his producers and he only uses guys that are fairly new or not as well known to help those guys out.
Here's some Daniel Dumile (Doom) bars:
Curls:
Villain get the money like curls
They just trying to get a nut like squirrels in his mad world
Land of milk and honey with the swirls
Where reckless naked girls get necklaces and pearls
Compliments of the town jeweler
Left back now-schooler trying to sound cooler
On the microphone known as the crown ruler
Never lied to ma when we said we found the moolah
Five-hundred something dollars laying right there in the street
Huh, now let's try and get something to eat
Then he turned four and started flowing to the poor
That's about when he first started going raw
Kept the 'dro in the drawer
A rhyming klepto who couldn't go up in the store no more
His life is like a folklore legend
Why you so stiff? you need to smoke more brethren
Insted of trying to riff with the broke war veteran
Spliff made him swore he saw heaven he was seven
Yup, you know it, growing up too fast
Showing up to class with Moët in a flask
He ask the teacher if he leave will he pass
His girl is home alone he trying to get the
If you want to sip get a paper water fountain glass
How I'm 'posed to know where your mouth been last
Hands so fast he can out-spin the Flash
Known to smoke a whole mountain of hash to the ash
Boom-bash leave the room with the stash
Assume it's in a smash, Doom get the cash
That's a freestyle - amazing, there's your modern day shakespeare
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