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What Beatles song changed their trajectory the most?
Posted on 8/29/18 at 7:10 am
Posted on 8/29/18 at 7:10 am
Obviously this could go several ways, but in terms of narrowing it down to one song that produced the most progression for the band I'd go with "Norwegian Wood."
Lyrically we have Lennon waxing "crawled up to sleep in the bath" - quite the departure from the common relationship topics found on Help . He ends it with the vague "so I lit a fire" - is he lighting up some piff or burning down this chick's house?
Musically it features a stripped down sound that is incredibly psychedelic for its time due to the introduction of the sitar. True experimentation by George Harrison, and flawlessly executed by incorprating the eastern instrument in a near perfect blend for the composition.
Other contenders? "Tomorrow Never Knows" ?
Lyrically we have Lennon waxing "crawled up to sleep in the bath" - quite the departure from the common relationship topics found on Help . He ends it with the vague "so I lit a fire" - is he lighting up some piff or burning down this chick's house?
Musically it features a stripped down sound that is incredibly psychedelic for its time due to the introduction of the sitar. True experimentation by George Harrison, and flawlessly executed by incorprating the eastern instrument in a near perfect blend for the composition.
Other contenders? "Tomorrow Never Knows" ?
Posted on 8/29/18 at 7:51 am to HeadyBrosevelt
"Help!" was a change lyrically although we did not know it at the time. It was one of the first songs that was on a personal level. Also on Rubber Soul, "Run For Your Life" was a different take on love.Threatening the girl was a new direction.
Posted on 8/29/18 at 8:12 am to midlothianlsu
Definitely agree the biggest change was that Help / Rubber Soul era.
Sonically Rubber Soul 's production values are markedly higher than its predcessors.
Both songs you mentioned do show a shift in lyrical exploration, but IMO lack the musical evolution that "Norwegian Wood" displays.
Sonically Rubber Soul 's production values are markedly higher than its predcessors.
Both songs you mentioned do show a shift in lyrical exploration, but IMO lack the musical evolution that "Norwegian Wood" displays.
Posted on 8/29/18 at 8:19 am to HeadyBrosevelt
I don't know shite.
My answer is always A day in The Life
My answer is always A day in The Life
Posted on 8/29/18 at 8:33 am to HeadyBrosevelt
Musically "Help!" had changes we did not know at the time with McCartney playing lead guitar on songs: Lennon playing an electric piano; the first outside musician other than George Martin (flute). "Rubber Soul" not only had the sitar on "Norwegian Wood" But also introduced the fuzz bass on "Think For Yourself".
Posted on 8/29/18 at 8:41 am to midlothianlsu
I'd go with You've Got To Hide Your Love Away.
Amazing song writing inspired by a bit of Dylan and a lot of weed.
Amazing song writing inspired by a bit of Dylan and a lot of weed.
Posted on 8/29/18 at 8:58 am to HeadyBrosevelt
I think “Tomorrow Never Knows”, “I Want To Tell You”, or really the entire Revolver album in general, is the answer.
I think “Nowhere Man” should be considered since it was the first introspective/non-romance song they did. But musically, the big shift came on Revolver.
I wouldn’t argue with “Norwegian Wood.” I’ve always thought that was a unique assembly of chords at the time.
I think “Nowhere Man” should be considered since it was the first introspective/non-romance song they did. But musically, the big shift came on Revolver.
I wouldn’t argue with “Norwegian Wood.” I’ve always thought that was a unique assembly of chords at the time.
This post was edited on 8/29/18 at 8:59 am
Posted on 8/29/18 at 9:04 am to HeadyBrosevelt
Lots of really good answers to this, because they changed their musical trajectory (and by extension, the trajectory of popular music in general) multiple times over their 7 years as the biggest rock and roll band in history.
However, rather than offering an answer to the OP, I figured I'd share my favorite Beatlephile site: Alan Pollack's Notes On The Beatles
Here, for example, are some excerpts from the author's analysis of "Norwegian Wood":
Yeah, it's wordy, and possibly way overthought, but I find it all very fascinating. Well worth perusing if you are truly a fan of the Fab Four.
However, rather than offering an answer to the OP, I figured I'd share my favorite Beatlephile site: Alan Pollack's Notes On The Beatles
Here, for example, are some excerpts from the author's analysis of "Norwegian Wood":
quote:...and so on.
This understated and characteristically oblique song of John's is also admirably economical in terms of both form and content, with everything but the bridges being derived from the same hook motif. In lesser hands, the large amount of unvaried repetition and static harmony of this piece might have resulted in a moribound, boring mess. The Beatles leverage it all in favor of and unity and focus...
The much commented-upon use of a sitar was surely ground breaking enough at the time per se. What I am particularly struck by, given the novelty-numbing distance of time, is the extent to which the psychadelic buzzing of that exotic instrument is so uncannily complemented here by the high level of percussive noise achieved by using a hard pick on the otherwise standard 12-string guitar...
The hook phrase stretches out liesurely over eight measures that are bound to an harmonic "envelope" on the I chord (E). We could likely argue all night about whether or not one hears equally implicit chord changes during this hook, but we've got better things to do all night than that, right, buddy ? In any event, this drone-like element in the harmony combines with the sound of the Indian sitar to create a stylistic "sound" which, if you stop to think about it, anticipates here in "a John song" what would soon become very much a specifically Harrisonian trademark...
Yeah, it's wordy, and possibly way overthought, but I find it all very fascinating. Well worth perusing if you are truly a fan of the Fab Four.
This post was edited on 8/29/18 at 9:06 am
Posted on 8/29/18 at 9:38 am to MorbidTheClown
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My answer is always A day in The Life
This would have been my answer. Didn't this influence Brian Wilson to create Pet Sounds or maybe vice versa.
Posted on 8/29/18 at 10:30 am to FearlessFreep
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FearlessFreep
Great stuff, will check out
For "A Day in the Life" - I think that song is more of a culmination of everything they had been building towards. We did see a few more multi-suites from them in stuff like "Happiness is a Warm Gun" and of course the Abbey Road medley but for the most part ADITL is kind of its own beast.
Posted on 8/29/18 at 10:31 am to HeadyBrosevelt
Tomorrow Never Knows
Posted on 8/29/18 at 11:04 am to HeadyBrosevelt
It seems that most would agree that "Help" was the initial change in tone to heftier songwriting.
Rubber Soul is the first set of songs I feel that contained the lyrical vagueness and allegory of great songwriting. I remember hearing somewhere that Paul Simon said that the great writers write most of a song, but leave space for the listener to write the rest. I feel like a lot of the songs on Rubber Soul do this well, so take your pick.
Rubber Soul is the first set of songs I feel that contained the lyrical vagueness and allegory of great songwriting. I remember hearing somewhere that Paul Simon said that the great writers write most of a song, but leave space for the listener to write the rest. I feel like a lot of the songs on Rubber Soul do this well, so take your pick.
Posted on 8/29/18 at 12:08 pm to Marciano1
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Tomorrow Never Knows
Came here to post this.
Posted on 8/29/18 at 12:39 pm to Perfect Circle
I think a case could be made for Rain also. It was recorded during the Revolver sessions but not released on that album. It came out as a B-side to Paperback Writer. It was the first song to feature a lot of studio manipulation (e.g, reversed vocals) that became standard practice for them later.
But I tend to think of Norwegian Wood as that transition point, if you can identify a single song that marked it. Help! started to break away from the pop sound of their early years. Rubber Soul continued further in that direction and Revolver completed it. At that point the Beatles weren't who we thought they were anymore.
But I tend to think of Norwegian Wood as that transition point, if you can identify a single song that marked it. Help! started to break away from the pop sound of their early years. Rubber Soul continued further in that direction and Revolver completed it. At that point the Beatles weren't who we thought they were anymore.
Posted on 8/29/18 at 1:59 pm to urinetrouble
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I think “Tomorrow Never Knows”, “I Want To Tell You”, or really the entire Revolver album in general, is the answer.
Disagree.
Rubber soul is when they decided to make brilliant albums and not just singles.
The tour of the usa right before rubber soul is when they met dylan and smoked weed and started taking lsd.
That was the turning point in their career.
Posted on 8/29/18 at 3:37 pm to rutiger
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The tour of the usa right before rubber soul is when they met dylan and smoked weed and started taking lsd.
That was the turning point in their career.
It was a couple of years later for Paul but essentially this is correct. They met Dylan, Elvis, went to India, dropped acid and got stoned a lot. All of that is what changed their trajectory. Revolver was the culmination of that process but it started with Rubber Soul.
Posted on 8/29/18 at 6:21 pm to HeadyBrosevelt
quote:At least for George I'm going with 'Something'.
What Beatles song changed their trajectory the most?
Despite him coming up with different layers, textures, and modes, that defined their sound throughout the years he was always 3rd fiddle. With Something that changed in 69 as he stepped up and showed he had what he took to write music with real lasting appeal. He was stepping out not only with writing but with other musicians as well. While Paul and John continued dueling or feuding, George was collaborating with other leading musicians and it was paying off in spades. For example writing and recording 'Badge' with Clapton. All the while he had amassed enough to do a well written triple LP 'All Things Must Pass', which also featured a bunch of really good musicians and pushed him to the front as my fav of the FAB4.
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