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Van Halen or Van Hagar ?

Posted on 6/2/22 at 3:44 pm
Posted by LSU in the hizzle
Member since May 2022
222 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 3:44 pm
Van Halen, and it's not even close.
This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 3:44 pm
Posted by LSUballs
RayVegas LA
Member since Feb 2008
37753 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 3:46 pm to
Dave lost his hairline, but Sammy lost his cool, buddy.
Posted by Zoso
Bay Saint Louis
Member since Nov 2021
557 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 3:52 pm to
Both
Posted by jdd48
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
22105 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 3:54 pm to
Hagar for me and not close. I appreciate Hagar's actual singing skill more than Dave's showmanship. Also thought Eddie did his best guitar work in the Hagar years.
This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 3:55 pm
Posted by MaxxPain2
Member since Oct 2021
703 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 4:22 pm to
Gary
















just kidding, I'll take Sammy
Posted by mwlewis
JeffCo
Member since Nov 2010
21220 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 4:30 pm to
Van Halen.

Instrumentally, Eddie had some great stuff during the Van Hagar years so I still listen to both.

Hagar sucks though, just so we are clear.
Posted by Mizz-SEC
Inbred Huntin' In The SEC
Member since Jun 2013
19245 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 4:35 pm to

Van Hagar killed two great bands. From 1982...

"Remember The Heroes" - Sammy Hagar

"Big Bad Bill (Is Sweet William Now) - Dave & Van Halen


From Wikipedia..

"Big Bad Bill (Is Sweet William Now)"

Dave: "I think it's a great song. And there's been this thread winding its way through all of Van Halen's music and all of our albums since beginning with 'Ice Cream Man.' I played acoustic guitar and songs like this for quite a while before I ever joined Van Halen. It's music. Why do I have to bang my head to every single song on every single album? I don't think the audience has that much lack of creativity or imagination."

Eddie: "It was Dave's idea to do 'Big Bad Bill'. He bought himself one of those Sanyo Walkman-type things with the FM-AM radio, and you can record off the radio if you like something you hear. He was up in his bedroom at his father's house and he found that if he stood in a certain spot and pointed his antenna a certain way, he picked up this weird radio station in Louisville, Kentucky. He recorded 'Big Bad Bill' and played it to us, and we started laughing ourselves silly and going, 'That is bad! Let's do it!' Dave suggested, 'Hey, we can get your old man to play the clarinet.' We said, 'sure.'

"It's so funny, because I couldn't play the song for you right now. I had to read because there were so many chords, I just couldn't remember it. So here's my father to the left of me, sitting on a chair with a music stand in front of him, and I'm sitting next to him with sheet music in a stand. Mike was there, too, playing like an acoustic guitar bass – the kind they have in Mexican restaurants where they come up, play in front of your face, and aggravate you. We had a great time. It looked like an old '30s or '40s session. I used some thick Gibson hollowbody with f-holes. My father hadn't played in a long time because he had lost his left-hand middle finger about 10 years ago. He was nervous, and we told him, 'Jan, just have a good time. We make mistakes! That's what makes it real.' I love what he did, but he was thinking back 10 years ago when he was smokin', playing jazz and stuff. He played exactly what we wanted."

Dave: "I think when you hear Mr. Van Halen playing, you'll have an idea it's a shadow of where Eddie and Alex are now. There's a sense of humour in there, a lot of technique and a whole lot of beer!"
This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 4:39 pm
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Malibu
Member since Sep 2013
29092 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 4:52 pm to
Van Halen. Diamond Dave is the shite.
Posted by danilo
Member since Nov 2008
20128 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 5:17 pm to
Michael Anthony
Posted by Marciano1
Marksville, LA
Member since Jun 2009
18432 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 8:10 pm to
Van Halen, easily. They were a force.
Posted by deernaes
Member since Dec 2019
724 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 9:22 pm to
No comparison.
Two different bands.
Even Eddie's playing was different with Sammy....
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
22170 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 9:39 pm to
I basically treat them as two unrelated bands. I like them both about the same but for different reasons.
Posted by DaleGribble
Bend, OR
Member since Sep 2014
6821 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 10:31 pm to
Van Halen. The music that they released with Hagar was cheesy at the time and hasn't aged well at all.
Posted by geauxdaddy72
Shreveport,La
Member since Sep 2008
885 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 11:22 pm to
I say both! David was the ultimate front man back in the day but Sammy brought more hits and could sing his butt off.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67096 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 11:26 pm to
Both versions of the band were great, but I personally enjoy David Lee Roth's swaggy party music better than Sammy Hagar's over the top love ballads.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
58890 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 11:38 pm to
If you’d have asked me that in 85, I’d have told you that I no longer recognize them as Van Halen anymore, but as time passes, truth be known, Sammy has proven himself to be one of the hardest working and best rock and roll voices of all time, right up there with Paul Rodgers and Robert Plant IMO, but it’s still hard for me to call his time with them as Van Halen. I still associate him with Montrose.

He had a difficult job though as it’s hard to supplant a legend. I remember the grief that Jake E Lee took for no other reason than he simply wasn’t Randy Rhoads, and that was so unfair because nobody could be, and fact is that Jake is quite a good guitarist in his own right. People do that tough.

Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
65988 posts
Posted on 6/3/22 at 7:39 am to
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Van Halen, and it's not even close


well... yeah!


i do like some of the sammy songs. i just don't consider them the same band
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89542 posts
Posted on 6/3/22 at 7:56 am to
Diamond Dave was a better front man, but Sammy was a better singer and overall musician. The music was better with Sammy, but more polished (normal for the 80s). The vibes are different.

I like a lot more of the Van Hagar songs, for sure.
Posted by rebelrouser
Columbia, SC
Member since Feb 2013
10621 posts
Posted on 6/3/22 at 8:11 am to
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it's not even close.


Van Hagar is laughably bad. OUbought12 is terrible.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86490 posts
Posted on 6/3/22 at 8:55 am to
I don't understand why people for decades have brought this up like it's some kind of neck and neck race. It'd be like asking whose better Richt or Kirby; both are good and all but it's not a comparison. Hagar isn't dogcrap and they did put out some good tunes during that era, but as anothe rposter said it's practically a different band post-1984.
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