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re: The Grateful Dead - Overrated?

Posted on 3/30/12 at 11:45 am to
Posted by Tigris
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Posted on 3/30/12 at 11:45 am to
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Touch of Grey, Truckin and Casey Jones


None would be in my top 20 Dead songs. I don't think they are overrated but over the years I've gravitated more to live music and the Dead as as good as anyone at this. Their 15 minute jams usually don't do much for me but that really isn't the majority of their concerts or music.

If you like their music then they are not overrated and if you don't like it then they are. Simple as that really.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 3/30/12 at 11:52 am to
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Am I the only one who thinks this way?


I'm not crazy about them but I respect their music making abilities enough to at least say they're not overrated. Their staying power across multiple generations is pretty impressive. They did it up against bands like The Beatles and Stones which I can respect.
Posted by Scruffy
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Posted on 3/30/12 at 11:54 am to
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I'm not crazy about them but I respect their music making abilities enough to at least say they're not overrated. Their staying power across multiple generations is pretty impressive. They did it up against bands like The Beatles and Stones which I can respect.
Yea, that makes sense. Maybe overrated isn't the right term.
Posted by M Le Rip
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 3/30/12 at 12:09 pm to
I really like the Dead, but yes, overrated.
Posted by kage
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Posted on 3/30/12 at 12:41 pm to
I don't think they're overrated. I think they're one of the greatest original American bands. Some of their live stuff is unlistenable(late 80's heroin Jerry), but the majority of their music is iconic American rock/country/folk, imo.

They were all great musicians in their own right, but Jerry was just out of this world. And he was just about as good a banjo player as he was a guitarist. He was incredibly melodic and had an unbelievable sense of timing.

Go back and listen to their first album(self titled) and it's absolutely bursting with energy and it's straight up rock/blues. It was an awakening for those lucky folks that got to see them at the very beginning.


Here's a good example of his melody and timing. Jerry's playing on this Bertha almost always gives me chills.

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This post was edited on 3/30/12 at 12:46 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 3/30/12 at 1:16 pm to
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Probably not. This site is full of the good old boys who hate those damn longhairs.



Or maybe people just dislike their music. I love the longhairs, many just have shitty taste in music in my opinion. Music is subjective, some like it...others don't.
This post was edited on 3/30/12 at 1:23 pm
Posted by TwinkleToez
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Posted on 3/30/12 at 1:18 pm to
blue velvet

China cat an jack straw are my favorite dead songs
Posted by Zamoro10
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Posted on 3/30/12 at 1:23 pm to
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I think jerry garcia described it the best, the dead are like black licorice, people that like it, really really like it. while other people hate it.


This is probably true. You don't sort of like The Dead.

I've had friends who loved The Dead and went to their shows and would talk about the band as if it was a religion...

I never understood the fascination with them - not my cup of tea.

But I don't think they're overrated...they have a significant following for a reason...they're an important part of music and social history.
This post was edited on 3/30/12 at 1:26 pm
Posted by TwinkleToez
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Posted on 3/30/12 at 1:26 pm to
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Posted by Scruffy
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it is, you need to listen to their live shows
Any recommendations?

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No, people who havent smoked weed think that way too
Oh, but I have. I have.




Yea but you haven't done deemsters yet so you don't really understand the dead
Posted by Blue Velvet
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Posted on 3/30/12 at 1:26 pm to
Posted by rutiger
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Posted on 3/30/12 at 1:41 pm to
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unlistenable(late 80's heroin Jerry)


88 was an awesome year, that was post coma though. 85-87 was a death crawl. good (even listenable) shows were few and far between.

i dont think jerry gets enough credit for being a great guitar player who was far ahead of his time. his use of MIDI technology in the late 80s through his demise was incredible. he literally could make his guitar sound like anything. they would be jamming and all of sudden you hear a flute solo, wtf? just jerry. hes played train whistles, bacon frying, all kinds of crazy shite in a day and age when there wasnt digital technology to have everything at your fingertips.
Posted by M Le Rip
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 3/30/12 at 2:34 pm to
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Go back and listen to their first album(self titled) and it's absolutely bursting with energy and it's straight up rock/blues. It was an awakening for those lucky folks that got to see them at the very beginning.
Funny--I listened to it the other day, and I definitely agree. I think, though, that everything after American Beauty was a band getting high, old and fat, and sounding increasingly high, old, and fat.
Posted by rutiger
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Posted on 3/30/12 at 2:54 pm to
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Funny--I listened to it the other day, and I definitely agree. I think, though, that everything after American Beauty was a band getting high, old and fat, and sounding increasingly high, old, and fat.


thats funny, because the band HATED the 1st album because they were all on dexatrine and speed and that album is WAY too fast.

so american beauty was in 71, they were in their late 20s. so they were old and fat in the mid 70s? ignorance is bliss i guess.
Posted by M Le Rip
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 3/30/12 at 3:52 pm to
you sound like you know more about the Dead than I do, so I'm not to attached to my opinions here. And even if I were, they're only so solid; "Unbroken Chain" is my favorite Dead song, and it came years after Beauty. I'm sure if I gave some of the later albums a couple extra spins, they'd grow on me a bit more; I just haven't gotten around to it yet I guess.
Posted by LSUMon
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 3/30/12 at 5:27 pm to
I agree that overrated is the wrong adjective to try to describe the Dead. They did everything against the norm, bascially created an entire genre of music, and never changed theur style to appeal to the masses.

Overrated to me relates to bands that are overly hyped by media outlets and the like.

I am a Dead fan by the way, and I agree that it is not for everyone. Some of their stuff is not for me and I am a fan.

For non fans who have tried to listen and don't like, I would suggest giving their austic stuff a try. Reckoning or Gracia/Grisham ablums are excellent. You can hear shorter versions of songs and listen to how great of musicians the band really is without getting caught up in the spacey extended jams. I would suggest this with any jam bands, that is if you are interested.

GD will always be in my top ten because they were they band that opened my ears to non-radio music/MTV music in my late teens and created an itch to find "other" music.

Listen to what you want to listen to and like what you want to like. And to quote The Band, it makes no difference.
Posted by ItNeverRains
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/30/12 at 7:15 pm to
Smoking pot and learning scales does nothing for me, so yes. Anytime you need a crutch (drugs) for a following, pretty much says it all.
Posted by Blue Velvet
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Posted on 3/30/12 at 7:42 pm to
Obvious troll is obvious.

What band doesn't have followers that drink? Music and drugs go hand in hand. Try not to be so obtuse. When I trip acid at The Talking Heads show with friends will it discredit the music?
Posted by ItNeverRains
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Posted on 3/30/12 at 7:54 pm to
Chill man, you're harshing my mellow. Only thing good that came from that band is a delicious ice cream flavor.
Posted by Blue Velvet
Apple butter toast is nice
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Posted on 3/30/12 at 7:55 pm to
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