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re: Songs that are just blatant ripoffs
Posted on 8/28/12 at 9:55 pm to bobbyray21
Posted on 8/28/12 at 9:55 pm to bobbyray21
you guys would like whosampled.com
I have posted it before on here, but you can take hours going through songs
I have posted it before on here, but you can take hours going through songs
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Posted on 8/28/12 at 9:56 pm to bobbyray21
I'm gonna throw another one out that I don't think is a full-fledged ripoff, but more of a variation on a theme.
John Mayer -- Victoria
Radiohead -- Karma Police
John Mayer -- Victoria
Radiohead -- Karma Police
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:00 pm to ADLSUNSU
quote:
you guys would like whosampled.com
I have posted it before on here, but you can take hours going through songs
How many of them are hip hop, though?*
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*Methinks sampling in hip hop is a different animal. Comes with the territory.**
**These are footnotes. See how I do that Mr. Penguin guy?
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:03 pm to bobbyray21
There is stealing in hip hop as well (see: Ice, Vanilla). But this is different from your according to hoyle sampling, and y'all already understood this because you're not retarded...and so I'll shut-up.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:19 pm to ADLSUNSU
I nominate "Bad Romance" as a rip off of "Tambourine Man"
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:32 pm to TTownTiger
I'll be damned, I always thought it was about my Ex...
Posted on 8/28/12 at 11:58 pm to bobbyray21
quote:You be the judge
I've heard this from multiple people -- including Noel himself, of course -- but I don't think the similarity is striking. I never thought a thing about it until somebody said something and I listened real real close.
A mash-up of the two songs
Posted on 8/29/12 at 1:42 am to bobbyray21
Posted on 8/29/12 at 6:24 am to bobbyray21
Hip hop songs that use previously released hits as hooks/beats are all ripoffs.
Posted on 8/29/12 at 7:25 am to a want
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Hip hop songs that use previously released hits as hooks/beats are all ripoffs.
I disagree. If what you said is true than a substantial portion of hip hop is a ripoff. But hip hop represented arguably the greatest departure from the music status quo than any genre that came before it. In other words, Hip hop didn't derive from another genre. It is sui generis. Which makes it innovative.
But hip hop can't be both:
1) a ripoff, and
2) highly innovative
The answer has to be #2. I just can't accept as reasonable a statement that the song "Rappers Delight" wasn't innovative.
This post was edited on 8/29/12 at 7:26 am
Posted on 8/29/12 at 10:51 am to bobbyray21
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If what you said is true than a substantial portion of hip hop is a ripoff.
Agree
To suggest that Vanilla Ice's "Ice Ice baby" would have been a hit without Queen's previously released top 10 single playing in the background is ridiculous. And the same can be said for any song that features a prominent/well-known tune. Now if the hook/beat is original and maybe created by the artist, then it would be innovative. It would achieve success on it's own merit. That's art. Artists create. They don't repackage others successes. Otherwise it's just a novelty.
Posted on 8/29/12 at 11:01 am to bobbyray21
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I just can't accept as reasonable a statement that the song "Rappers Delight" wasn't innovative.
I think it was. But I don't think the beat for that would be considered a highly popular/easily recognizable tune. I'm not suggesting the group has to play the instruments and write the grooves - just that their work can stand on it's own. If you start a hip hop song with the opening guitar riff to the Rolling Stone's "Start me up"...
... that's not standing on your own. There was an excellent example of this recently in country music where the hook was sweet home alabama - and the song was a spin-off of that. It sounded just like it - but with other (more banal) lyrics. That's crap.
Posted on 8/29/12 at 11:21 am to bobbyray21
Nirvana - Come as you are
ripped off Killing Joke - Eighties
ripped off Killing Joke - Eighties
Posted on 8/29/12 at 2:15 pm to bobbyray21
Posted on 8/29/12 at 2:36 pm to AlxTgr
there was a green day song that ripped off an ELO song that i noticed a while back. Telephone Line and the 1 21 gun
Posted on 8/29/12 at 2:40 pm to AlxTgr
There is a fine line between being influenced by an artist/song and ripping off an artist/song. A very fine line that often times depends on how the original artist looks at it.
Hootie and the Blowfish Only want to be with you
Rips off Bob Dylan's : Tangled up in blue for the rythm/beat
Also rips off Dylan's : Idiot Wind for some of the lyrics
But at least they credit the coolest man of all time when they say, "Ain't Bobby so cool" The song was a tribute to Dylan, but clearly infringed upon Dylan's original work without prior approval. Dylan sued and collected his $ out of court; probably wiped his arse with it later because he didn't need the money.
Hootie and the Blowfish Only want to be with you
Rips off Bob Dylan's : Tangled up in blue for the rythm/beat
Also rips off Dylan's : Idiot Wind for some of the lyrics
But at least they credit the coolest man of all time when they say, "Ain't Bobby so cool" The song was a tribute to Dylan, but clearly infringed upon Dylan's original work without prior approval. Dylan sued and collected his $ out of court; probably wiped his arse with it later because he didn't need the money.
Posted on 8/29/12 at 2:42 pm to bobbyray21
Nickelback ripped off rock.
Seriously though, they rip off themselves... Just shite geting shittier.
Seriously though, they rip off themselves... Just shite geting shittier.
Posted on 8/29/12 at 2:45 pm to a want
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I think it was. But I don't think the beat for that would be considered a highly popular/easily recognizable tune. I'm not suggesting the group has to play the instruments and write the grooves - just that their work can stand on it's own. If you start a hip hop song with the opening guitar riff to the Rolling Stone's "Start me up"... ... that's not standing on your own.
Where are you drawing the lines, though?* Rappers Delight sampled "Good Times" by Chic, and they took the meat and potatoes. No doubt about it.
Similarly, Biggie Smalls took every bit of "Juicy Fruit" by Mtumes for his song "Juicy".
But if we can't call "Rappers Delight" and "Juicy" -- Juicy, especially, which remains one of my favorite songs to this day -- innovative, we should just cancel the genre.
FWIW, rappers sample less than they used to. Puffy probably took the practice a little bit too far.
It's still done, though:
Cudderisback
Vampire Weekend -- Ottoman
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*And let's actually take the Vanilla Ice song off the table for discussion as we both agree that that was a blatant ripoff that went well past "sampling" as it is normally done in hip hop.
Posted on 8/29/12 at 2:49 pm to bobbyray21
Posted on 8/29/12 at 2:54 pm to bobbyray21
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