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Seymor Duncan Pearly Gates Bridge Pickup..

Posted on 12/15/22 at 7:42 pm
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30865 posts
Posted on 12/15/22 at 7:42 pm
I've never played a guitar that had one, I know it's probably pretty damn good, but I don't live near a lot of guitar stores where I can go try stuff out very often.
My question to you guys that have tried them: When it's split to single coil mode, how does it sound?
I really want something that has a good telly sound when needed.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53621 posts
Posted on 12/15/22 at 9:55 pm to
Never tried a Pearly Gates but the split humbuckers I've heard or tried never seem to quite get that tele spank........I guess you need to keep that tele handy on the stand..
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30865 posts
Posted on 12/15/22 at 11:06 pm to
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..I guess you need to keep that tele handy on the stand..


Yeah, I've got plenty of 'em Just always trying to get it all in 1 guitar.
I probably want too much.
This post was edited on 12/16/22 at 7:28 am
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69243 posts
Posted on 12/15/22 at 11:31 pm to
I have one as a neck pickup in an LP, and I hate it. It just sounds really dull, and it’s not setup for coil tapping.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30865 posts
Posted on 12/15/22 at 11:45 pm to
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I have one as a neck pickup in an LP, and I hate it. It just sounds really dull, and it’s not setup for coil tapping.


Might be the whole difference. Did you ever try pulling up your tone knob? Can't imagine a reason to install one of those and not making it splitable.
This post was edited on 12/16/22 at 7:32 am
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27573 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 5:20 am to
I always thought a Tele pickup had more twang than any pickup.

Aren’t they made or wound differently than a standard fender Strat single coil?

I think you may be asking too much of any split humbucker at any price point.

Fret should be along shortly to ‘splain it.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30865 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 6:42 am to
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I think you may be asking too much of any split humbucker at any price point.


Yeah, that's a constant thing with me. I tend to expect too much, but every now and then I get surprised and my expectations get exceeded.
Maybe Fret will tell me, that he can build exactly what I want.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27573 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 6:48 am to
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Maybe Fret will tell me, that he can build exactly what I want.


My thought too. Or at least tell you honestly, “nah. That can’t really be done. “
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30865 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 7:14 am to
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My thought too. Or at least tell you honestly, “nah. That can’t really be done. “

Well, The truth is, I've got my eye on one of those limited edition Telecaster customs with the set neck, all mahogany. It already has the Pearly Gates PU, but it's a mail order deal, and I'm not fond of buying things that I haven't actually tried out in my hands. I will take a chance though now and then, if I see a way that I can get what I want, even if it takes a little work.
It has worked out with this Epiphone Frontier. I will never need to buy another acoustic guitar, this one does it all.
This post was edited on 12/16/22 at 8:11 am
Posted by Easye921
Mobile
Member since Jan 2013
2911 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 7:46 am to
Never used them. Im a huge fan of Wolftones for my humbuckers stuff. I've tried lots of PAF humbuckers from Throback to Fralins and I like these the best. The only Duncan pickups Ive ever used are the Ssl5 for my Strats. I use them on all my strat bridges. I do want to try out some Seth Lovers and Antiquities. I've heard great things about those.
Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1343 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 9:06 am to
Outside of the fact that a HUGE HUGE component of a Telecaster's inherent twangy tone is that oversized metal ashtray bridge to which a traditional Tele bridge pickup is mounted ...

I have yet to find a splittable humbucker that truly delivers an authentic Strat or Tele tone. Factors that inevitably derail the R&D effort include magnetized screws and slugs versus actual rod magnets as poles; a humbucker's brass or nickel silver baseplate versus its absence in Fender-style pickups; and the physical height of humbucker coils compared to the common dimensions of Strat and Tele coils (they are taller).

You can absolutely match that split coil's wind counts, coil awg, coil insulator material, DCR and henries output of the splittable coil, etc. You can get close to satisfactory but nothing close to authentic. Many of you already know this.

My observations from a design standpoint ... you can design a great humbucker that happens to split decently. Or you can design a great splittable humbucker that happens to operate decently in full humbucker mode. The best example of the latter in my mind are most PRS offerings. Gorgeous when split, lackluster in bucker mode compared to other offerings.

The closest you will get to a split tone in the Fender realm, will be a humbucker with a DCR resistance measurement of about 12-14K, so it will split at 6-7K DCR. You also want a humbucker built around an Alnico 5 magnet. Most Fender single coils use A5 rods, which have a scooped midrange by nature compared to the Alnico 2s found in classic PAFs (and in Duncan Pearly Gates).

Be ready to also employ a compressor/limiter on your pedalboard too, to compensate (boost) the approximate 50 percent loss in output when you split most any traditional blueprint humbucker.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30865 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:06 am to
Thank you for explaining all of that. What do you think? I should just buy that Telly and put a 60s telly pickup at the bridge and leave the Duncan at the neck?
I had already thought about that, it would be kind of like a Bluesboy.
Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1343 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:17 am to
I am not a fan of stock Tele bridge pickups paired with any neck humbuckers. The neck pickup is inevitably too loud compared to the bridge pickup, even a vintage/underwound PAF or 'Tron clone; and/or the bridge pickup is inevitably too thin compared to the neck pickup. I have dozens of examples cross my bench annually and I've yet to find a HS Tele that actually worked well for my tastes.

If you want a phatter neck tone, I think a low to mid 7s DCR Alnico 5 P-90 that's RWRP compared to the Tele bridge pickup is a MUCH better match.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30865 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:32 am to
Thanks, That's all doable. Your knowledge is greatly appreciated.
I think I'm gonna buy that guitar. I just love mahogany.
Posted by stratman
NOLA
Member since Apr 2013
977 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 2:16 pm to
I put one in the bridge of my Stratocaster. It is awesome. I love it. When I split the coil, though, it's serviceable, but not like the 2 position on my SSS strat. Get one. You'll not be sorry.
Posted by RockinDood
Member since Aug 2020
1086 posts
Posted on 12/17/22 at 3:27 am to
I’ve had the pearly gates and while it’s GOOD as a humbucker, imo it lacks when split. It just doesn’t have the tone that I would be looking for out of a single coil. It will do in a stage situation when you just kinda need to have the “sound” of a single but I find it a bit compressed.

If you’re looking for a SD specifically and want a good, clear humbucker sound with the ability to split well I’d go with the P-Rails. The rail side sounds OK when split but the P-90 side sounds really good. In humbucker mode it sounds like a HOT P-90 with no hum. The rail is not really hot enough to color the sound much aside from adding a bit of brightness.

It’s a goofy looking thing but it works well.
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