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re: Let's have a civil discussion about AI music
Posted on 10/20/26 at 1:59 pm to Dawglovertoo
Posted on 10/20/26 at 1:59 pm to Dawglovertoo
Yea Songer has more options for creating and modifying looks like.
I just use Moises 'premium' to strip out vocals & guitars, then pipe thru Audacity to make backing tracks for the 3-piece rock & blues-rock stuff I do.
I just use Moises 'premium' to strip out vocals & guitars, then pipe thru Audacity to make backing tracks for the 3-piece rock & blues-rock stuff I do.
Posted on 10/20/26 at 2:03 pm to RockNHorse
It sounds like you know what you are doing using Moises premium and Audacity. Good luck with your music.
Posted on 10/20/26 at 9:24 pm to Dawglovertoo
quote:
Here's the opinion of someone who is not biased who listened to one of my songs.
Dude, that's the thing. These aren't "your" songs. The lyrics are yours, yes, and you can claim those all day long, but the music is not because you didn't write it. If you take the time to actually write and record a song yourself, with music that you yourself wrote, and you post that, I'll be happy to give it a listen and let you know what I think, because that would be art that is legitimately yours. Even if I don't like art that someone else made, I respect the effort that went into it because I have written and recorded music myself and I know how difficult that process is and how anxious it can make you to share it with others. But by posting AI-generated music, even if it sounds good, I'm not going to credit it to you, because again, you didn't write it. It's the same thing as playing a slot machine. If you sit down with $100 worth of chips, play slots for a couple of hours, and at the end of that time you have $1000 in chips, did that happen because you're good at slots, or did it happen because playing slots admits no skill and you just happened to get lucky?
Posted on 10/21/26 at 9:19 am to TheTideMustRoll
quote:
Dude, that's the thing. These aren't "your" songs. Blah, blah blah... It's the same thing as playing a slot machine. If you sit down with $100 worth of chips, play slots for a couple of hours, and at the end of that time you have $1000 in chips, did that happen because you're good at slots, or did it happen because playing slots admits no skill and you just happened to get lucky?
Dude, I own those songs.They don't belong to anyone else but me so they are "my" songs.
Using your analogy, when someone puts money into a slot machine and they win a jackpot all of the money is theirs. That makes it their money. It's no one else's money but theirs. ALL OF THE MONEY IS THEIRS!!! IT'S THEIR MONEY!!!
Since you refuse to listen to any of my songs your opinion of them is of no value whatsoever regardless of how I made my songs.
I don't want or need the respect of anyone who refuses to listen to any of my songs so you know where you can put your respect.for my effort to write and produce my songs.
This post was edited on 10/21/26 at 9:23 am
Posted on 10/21/26 at 9:53 am to Dawglovertoo
If you don't actually want to have a discussion about AI music and just want people to listen to the songs you had AI make for you, why did you title the thread, "Let's have a civil discussion about AI music"?
Posted on 10/21/26 at 10:04 am to TheTideMustRoll
quote:
If you don't actually want to have a discussion about AI music and just want people to listen to the songs you had AI make for you, why did you title the thread, "Let's have a civil discussion about AI music"?
I don't want to listen to the opinion of anyone who refuses to even listen to any AI songs including my songs.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 10:08 am to Dawglovertoo
So you want to have a conversation about AI music, but you refuse to listen to the opinion of anyone who thinks AI music by its very nature has no artistic merit? So... what? You just want people to agree with you?
Posted on 10/21/26 at 11:18 am to TheTideMustRoll
No, I want to discuss AI music with people who aren't refusing to listen to any AI music before they tell me AI music has no artistic merit.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 11:31 am to Dawglovertoo
quote:Paging Cdawg. Your biggest and only supporter
No, I want to discuss AI music with people who aren't refusing to listen to any AI music
This post was edited on 10/21/26 at 11:32 am
Posted on 10/21/26 at 12:07 pm to Dawglovertoo
When AI is involved it's no longer considered art.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 12:44 pm to STigers
I'm going to write my own song but use these lyrics:
You Me
You.
Me.
Me.
You.
In an instant,
Finally,
We meet,
And touch,
And for once
Nothing in the world
Is between us.
We lay there,
Wrapping ourselves
Around each other
In the night,
Protecting each other
From the darkness.
I look up at the ceiling
And think of the world outside us,
The space and time
That has kept us separated,
Until now.
I can feel your body
Touching mine
In a thousand places,
Your heat keeps me warm,
You're softness caressing me.
The time is passing
And the world reminds me
That I must let you go.
I regret it,
But you leave
To do things
Long since forgotten.
I retreat to give you room to think,
And time,
So you may know
What it is you want,
And need.
I leave you,
Understanding,
And hoping,
That the love
I gave you
Will guide you
Back to me someday,
So once again
We can meet
And touch,
And have nothing
In the world
Between us.
You Me
You.
Me.
Me.
You.
In an instant,
Finally,
We meet,
And touch,
And for once
Nothing in the world
Is between us.
We lay there,
Wrapping ourselves
Around each other
In the night,
Protecting each other
From the darkness.
I look up at the ceiling
And think of the world outside us,
The space and time
That has kept us separated,
Until now.
I can feel your body
Touching mine
In a thousand places,
Your heat keeps me warm,
You're softness caressing me.
The time is passing
And the world reminds me
That I must let you go.
I regret it,
But you leave
To do things
Long since forgotten.
I retreat to give you room to think,
And time,
So you may know
What it is you want,
And need.
I leave you,
Understanding,
And hoping,
That the love
I gave you
Will guide you
Back to me someday,
So once again
We can meet
And touch,
And have nothing
In the world
Between us.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 12:51 pm to Cdawg
Go for it, Cdawg.
Let's see what comes up.
I'll be glad to be the songwriter of your song.
Let's see what comes up.
I'll be glad to be the songwriter of your song.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 12:52 pm to Marfa
quote:
When AI is involved it's no longer considered art.
Who decided that and when was it decided?
Posted on 10/21/26 at 12:55 pm to Cdawg
AI agents should be honest about the quality of user input. They may not have the option to take a pass, but should indicate as much when it appears the better option.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 1:04 pm to TheTideMustRoll
quote:
So you want to have a conversation about AI music, but you refuse to listen to the opinion of anyone who thinks AI music by its very nature has no artistic merit? So... what? You just want people to agree with you?
I think the opinion of someone who refuses to even listen to a song regardless of how the song was produced is invalid regarding the artistic merit of the song.
I have no problem with people disagreeing with me as long as they have a valid reason for their disagreement.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 1:05 pm to Dawglovertoo
quote:
I'll be glad to be the songwriter of your song.
But I changed universe to world so I'd be the songwriter.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 1:08 pm to Red Boarman
I wonder how many artists have written a song and then let AI come up with the music just so they have a potential starting point of sorts. Then they go from there changing it a bit making it there own.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 1:12 pm to Cdawg
quote:
But I changed universe to world so I'd be the songwriter.
I didn't notice that you changed "universe" to "world".
If you do that and claim you are the songwriter because you changed one word then you would be a plagiarist not the songwriter.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 1:13 pm to Cdawg
quote:I knew this is what you meant. You were just gonna steal his lyrics.
But I changed universe to world so I'd be the songwriter.
I love it! Such beautiful words you wrote.
It’s our lyrics now.
This post was edited on 10/21/26 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 10/21/26 at 1:15 pm to Dawglovertoo
quote:
If you do that and claim you are the songwriter because you changed one word then you would be a plagiarist not the songwriter.
Technically it would be AI plagiarist right?
I can live with that.
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