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re: Johnny Cash’s thoughts on country music from his 1997 autobiography.

Posted on 10/22/23 at 2:14 pm to
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
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Posted on 10/22/23 at 2:14 pm to
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WAY TOO MUCH time worrying like eggheads about genre and way less time out living and enjoying shite. You can sing along with a Wallen tune and also love Cocaine Blues (presumably, yet another "born-of-hardscrabble-life-on-the-farm" classic?).


You were doing fine until this portion.
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
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Posted on 10/22/23 at 9:30 pm to
He was in his very early years a rock band called the Stoics.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 10/23/23 at 12:37 am to
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You were doing fine until this portion.
How so? The point is, why so much time spent denigrating whatever people like because it isn't "authentic" enough? What's the importance of preserving some theoretical genre (that probably never even existed in the platonic perfection it was imagined to have)?

All that matters is liking what comes out of the speakers. Everything else is bullshite.
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 10/23/23 at 6:18 am to
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All that matters is liking what comes out of the speakers. Everything else is bullshite.


Ironic considering most of what comes out of the speakers at modern country shows is, in fact, bullshite.

Posted by JumpingTheShark
America
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Posted on 10/23/23 at 6:42 am to
Jesus the posters on this board can’t recognize a troll to save their frickin lives
Posted by monsterballads
Gulf of America
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 10/23/23 at 6:54 am to
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Ironic considering most of what comes out of the speakers at modern country shows is, in fact, bullshite.



and the reason why it's bullshite is because there are 3-7 writers of any nashville song that comes out and they use a mad lib type system to write what they think will sell records. there's no soul to it. they have their vessel of an "artist" to push their corny shite to the radio waves aimed at a specific demographic. it's all business and business is pretty good for them.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 10/23/23 at 7:24 am to
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and the reason why it's bullshite is because there are 3-7 writers of any nashville song that comes out and they use a mad lib type system to write what they think will sell records. there's no soul to it. they have their vessel of an "artist" to push their corny shite to the radio waves aimed at a specific demographic. it's all business and business is pretty good for them.

Yeah, but in the past and even now to a much smaller extent, those writers were most often country people, who write about what they know.
The words in the songs were true, just not for the star who ends up singing them. Yes it's a formula and always has been, but it has worked well for a lot of people.
Most of your writers don't want to be stars themselves, they just enjoy writing songs, and like making some money at it, but they still do it, even if they're not making a dime.
Real country people are still writing real country songs, but they aren't necessarily being hugely successful, because the country music format has been highjacked by greed.
This post was edited on 10/23/23 at 7:39 am
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
19285 posts
Posted on 10/23/23 at 7:36 am to
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and the reason why it's bullshite is because there are 3-7 writers of any nashville song that comes out and they use a mad lib type system to write what they think will sell records. there's no soul to it. they have their vessel of an "artist" to push their corny shite to the radio waves aimed at a specific demographic. it's all business and business is pretty good for them.


Lainey Wilson is from my hometown. Let’s just say everyone knows everyone. She had a contract (when she started gaining traction, not since she blew the F up) to write 6 songs a year for a group in Nashville. Hit or not, 6 songs per year, 100k in her pocket.

She doesn’t need the money now, obviously, but they (Nashville suits) can take the 6 songs and that 100k and turn around and flip them through their circus and make much, much, more off of it.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
31591 posts
Posted on 10/23/23 at 7:42 am to
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She doesn’t need the money now, obviously, but they (Nashville suits) can take the 6 songs and that 100k and turn around and flip them through their circus and make much, much, more off of it.

The more they make, the more she makes though. She still owns those songs and gets the writing royalties from them. Good for her.
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
19285 posts
Posted on 10/23/23 at 8:30 am to
Yea not too shabby!
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
31591 posts
Posted on 10/23/23 at 8:37 am to
Maybe you could get one of my songs to her
LINK
This post was edited on 10/23/23 at 8:49 am
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 10/23/23 at 8:43 am to
'Cause, if I can see the concrete, slowly creepin'
Lord, take me and mine before that comes
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
19285 posts
Posted on 10/23/23 at 8:55 am to
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Maybe you could get one of my songs to her


I will pass this along, baw.

Just listened..I really like it, homie.
This post was edited on 10/23/23 at 8:57 am
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
31591 posts
Posted on 10/23/23 at 9:08 am to
Thanx man. It can be a female's song just by changing a couple of words.
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
19285 posts
Posted on 10/23/23 at 9:25 am to
For sure. I’ve had some ideas I wanted to run by her dad, he’s still around the Franklin parish community. I just am hardly ever home to sit down and discuss it.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39873 posts
Posted on 10/23/23 at 12:18 pm to
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Ironic considering most of what comes out of the speakers at modern country shows is, in fact, bullshite.
It might be dogshit, but I don't think it's bullshite.

But even so, people like what they like. It shouldn't have ANYTHING to do with some kind of weird narrative outside the music. Think of how many millions of people in the 60s who dismissed the Beatles because of the haircuts. It's just dumb.
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
19285 posts
Posted on 10/23/23 at 2:30 pm to
Fair point. The Beatles were all over the place and influenced huge swaths of multiple generations. From an “influence” perspective, some of the get off my lawn types might have been right about them. Another conversation altogether.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
31591 posts
Posted on 10/23/23 at 3:19 pm to
Sorry I'm behind on getting back to you, after my last post this morning, I had to run out and get some stuff done.
If you have a connection like that, and have some good songs, you have to try and make the most of it.
Good luck on it!
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39281 posts
Posted on 10/24/23 at 7:07 am to
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That was in 1997.

1997 seems like it was 8 billion years ago.
Posted by monsterballads
Gulf of America
Member since Jun 2013
31513 posts
Posted on 10/24/23 at 10:48 am to
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people like what they like.


while true, they are also the same people who say "there's no good music anymore" a lot of the times.

lots of objectively well written and great music out there. it's just not typically on FM radio these days.
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