re: I Like A Perfect Circle Much More Than Tool

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All you millennials who just recently discovered Tool are ridiculous. In no way, shape, or form is Fear Inoculum better than any previous Tool album. In fact, it's their worst effort.

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While I agree with you, millennials didn’t just discover Tool.

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13 minute songs do not equal greatness.

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And, while us Tool fans are still talking here, relatively politely, this is kind of a weird melt.

Yeah the songs have tended to get longer over the years - no question. Opiate didn't average 4 minutes per track if you considered Opiate and TGLE separate songs. Undertow was an average of about 6 minutes (minus the crickets and silence at the end). Eulogy is one of my favorites by them and it was 8 1/2 minutes. Lateralus is 9 1/2 minutes. Rosetta Stoned is over 11 minutes. The length of songs don't hurt any of the strong tracks on FI, IMHO.

You mad, bro?

It’s better than 10000 days but not better than previous efforts

If you like more polished, mainstream, and refined music, than liking APC more than Tool isn’t some crazy idea. Bands like Tool take a lot of effort to appreciate because of how unique and different they are. I’ve tried multiple times to get into Tool and just can’t.

For that very reason, Eat the Elephant is my favorite album from either band. It’s more modern, in how it feels closer to all the other music that I listen to and in how relatable the lyrics are to the present day. Songs like “Disillusioned” conquer topics that likely a lot of people on this board have dealt with in their every day life. “So Long And Thanks for All the Fish” is both nostalgic and modern.

I can see why Tool fans bristle at this OP for the same reason I like APC more though. Tool is unique. Different. A genre on its own. APC sounds more like everyone else. And not everyone is so heavy into this topic that they are capable of appreciating Tool on the level that so many of their fans do.

ETA: I’d bet OP used “like” instead of “better” for a reason, except he didn’t explain it.

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this is kind of a weird melt.

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0 melt from me. I just feel bad for the new listeners, who missed their great music while in their prime.

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Yeah the songs have tended to get longer over the years - no question

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I have no problem with Tool's long songs. They in a sense were pioneers at the art.

To wait 13 years for Fear Inoculum, and to have only 3 really great tracks, was a disappointment.

Were Pnuema, invincible, FI, and 7empest good tracks? Sure.

In comparison to their leading tracks on any other Tool album not named opiate?


No.

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You mad, bro?

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Not at all. In fact I'm glad to see a thread on Tool. It shows there are still fans of real music out there.

I must be the only Tool fan that ranks both 10,000 Days and Fear Inoculum ahead of Undertow.

I've seen Tool a half dozen times, APC twice and Puscifer once. Only one had a Lucha libre style wrestling match as the opening act.

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But of those 3, what 3 from FI are even close to as good as these?

Pneuma? Invincible?

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Plus the title track and you're probably there. Descending and 7empest are right there, too, though.

Invincible is already my second favorite Tool song and Pneuma could ultimately crack my Top 5. I get that this is all subjective, but I'm definitely not alone on this one.

To be honest, Fear Inoculum is my least favorite as well. Maybe I'm just getting old or my tastes have changed, but it just doesn't do it for me. My least favorite today is 10K days but I still listened to that nonstop for about a year. With Fear, it kept my attention for maybe a month. It just isn't interesting to me.

I always have