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re: Heavy Metal Defined Help
Posted on 6/30/23 at 8:50 pm to kingbob
Posted on 6/30/23 at 8:50 pm to kingbob
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The best way to distinguish rock n roll from metal, in my opinion, is the amount of blues and general African American influences in the music. The more the music is rooted in European classical music, the more likely it is to be considered “metal”. The more it’s rooted in delta blues, the more likely it will be considered “rock n roll” (the big exception being “stoner metal”).
The irony here is that the earlier bands considered heavy metal, Deep Purple comes to mind, were heavily influenced by the blues. Now I guess they would be simply considered Hard Rock?
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Posted on 7/1/23 at 3:20 pm to SFCSaint77
Heavy Metal should have no other instruments than drums, bass guitar and electric lead. Hard Rock can include these things.
Heavy Metal -lyrics are not thought provoking and only support the main riff from the musicians.
Heavy Metal- can't dance to it, just move to it.
Heavy Metal is a monster truck, Hard rock is a race car.
Heavy Metal -lyrics are not thought provoking and only support the main riff from the musicians.
Heavy Metal- can't dance to it, just move to it.
Heavy Metal is a monster truck, Hard rock is a race car.
Posted on 7/1/23 at 4:51 pm to nealnan8
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Heavy Metal should have no other instruments than drums, bass guitar and electric lead. Hard Rock can include these things.
Except there are several symphonic metal bands with keys and strings that are heavier and more bombastic than some "traditional" metal bands.
That's what make it so difficult - too many exceptions.
Posted on 7/1/23 at 5:24 pm to SFCSaint77
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:25 am to A12 Oxcart
I like the effort, this can be built off of
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:50 am to DeltaTigerDelta
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Sammy Hagar- Heavy Metal
Yea, I don't even consider that song to be Heavy Metal.
Also, what is a "Hair Band"
I was listening to a supposed "Hair Band" channel and there was Van Halen, Aerosmith, Journey, Guns N Roses: I don't consider any of them to be Hair Bands.
I consider that to be more of Poison, Ratt, Dokken, Warrant, etc.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 10:52 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
Not sure what happened there...
see next post.
see next post.
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 7/5/23 at 10:57 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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I think the same when I hear Led Zeppelin called metal. Led Zeppelin, a band that played half their songs with an acoustic lead guitar. Ido understand and agree that one could call either group a predecessor, or forefather of metal though. I just don’t see that as being the same as being metal.
Also, their entire first album was covers of old blues songs. Zeppelin was not a metal band, they were a blues/rock band who found a way to make those songs just blisteringly heavy whether acoustic or electric.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 9:58 am to SFCSaint77
Metal is Pantera / Metallica /slipknot /sepultura / tool / korn
Rock is nickleback / creed /Foo fighters /
Rock is nickleback / creed /Foo fighters /
Posted on 7/6/23 at 10:49 am to bayouvette
Creed is more metal than the other two.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 3:49 pm to kingbob
Nickelback has heavier riffs than Creed and Tool.
It's why Diamond/Dimestore/Douchebag Darrell liked them.
It's why Diamond/Dimestore/Douchebag Darrell liked them.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 3:58 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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I don't even consider that song to be Heavy Metal.
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Sammy Hagar- Heavy Metal
I don’t either. I think “hard rock” from the ‘70’s morphed into heavy metal in the ‘80’s.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 7:19 pm to A12 Oxcart
Posted on 7/7/23 at 2:56 am to nealnan8
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Heavy Metal -lyrics are not thought provoking and only support the main riff from the musicians.
Just a totally ignorant take on metal lyrics. So much of metal has deep and powerful lyrical content.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 12:49 pm to DeltaTigerDelta
Posted on 7/7/23 at 12:51 pm to SFCSaint77
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What makes a song heavy metal vs hard rock, etc?
Palm muting
Posted on 7/7/23 at 2:08 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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If I hear excessive double bass
As much as bob hates gated reverb drums, I hate double bass drums with double pedals on them. Most annoying sound in the world outside of that asthmatic singer from the Cranberries.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:56 pm to SFCSaint77
There is no line, its a spectrum, and time has alot to do with it.
As others have said Led Zeppelin was considered hard rock back in the day, but most now would consider it tame. They are deeply rooted in blues and even have bluegrass/country hints.
"Metal" really progressed in the 80's but again most today would consider that tame.
I don't think Blues and other styles have much to do with it. The vast majority of western music is rooted in Blues, and yes most metal is as well. Black Sabbath, who many believe are one of the pioneers of metal are heavily Blues.
I consider it more about "heaviness", which is kind of subjective but I don't think you can define it with specific scales, lyrics, or beats.
As others have said Led Zeppelin was considered hard rock back in the day, but most now would consider it tame. They are deeply rooted in blues and even have bluegrass/country hints.
"Metal" really progressed in the 80's but again most today would consider that tame.
I don't think Blues and other styles have much to do with it. The vast majority of western music is rooted in Blues, and yes most metal is as well. Black Sabbath, who many believe are one of the pioneers of metal are heavily Blues.
I consider it more about "heaviness", which is kind of subjective but I don't think you can define it with specific scales, lyrics, or beats.
This post was edited on 7/7/23 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 7/9/23 at 1:57 pm to DeltaTigerDelta
Don Felder’s Heavy Metal (Takin A Ride) is even less metal. But, it’s a great song.
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