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re: Has any band killed a genre like Nirvana killed hair band rock?
Posted on 1/19/18 at 12:43 pm to CAD703X
Posted on 1/19/18 at 12:43 pm to CAD703X
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I would argue jane's addiction was almost as big as nirvana back in the day
I mean.... you can argue that all you want but it’s simply not true.
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that one hit that opened the floodgates for them.
Sold 30 million albums.
In Utero sold 15 million, Unplugged sold 5 million.
For reference, Jane’s Addictions’s best selling album has sold 2 million.
You can argue whether they were even the best alternative band of the early 90s, or whether Cobain was a hack guitar player. But let’s not pretend like they were some one hit wonder.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 1:35 pm to CAD703X
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eta and seattle grunge scene was alive and well waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before nirvana.
Apple by Mother Love Bone was they key album in that transition imo.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 1:42 pm to weagle99
I remember listening to Nirvana a little back then but seemed like most of my friends (and myself) were listening to Pearl Jam, STP, Alice in Chains, and Soundgarden much more.
When I started driving, I remember getting Pearl Jam's 10, STP's Core, and Alice in Chains Dirt and wearing those cassettes out. I can't recall if those came out before or after Smells Like Teen Spirit. I definitely remember all of the above being huge on MTV.
When I started driving, I remember getting Pearl Jam's 10, STP's Core, and Alice in Chains Dirt and wearing those cassettes out. I can't recall if those came out before or after Smells Like Teen Spirit. I definitely remember all of the above being huge on MTV.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 2:08 pm to RockAndRollDetective
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trading pageant hair and spandex for biker imagery seemed to be an improvement IMO
Posted on 1/19/18 at 2:10 pm to CAD703X
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i remember the night it aired on 120 minutes..the next morning every store in houston was sold out.
nothing like that would happen these days.
Well, iTunes can't sell out, soooooooo.......
Posted on 1/19/18 at 2:39 pm to Jester
80's Hair Metal was D.O.A. when MTV decided bands like Nelson were hair bands.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 2:52 pm to MorbidTheClown
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hair band?
Generally means "Hair metal" - more or less an American style that fused elements of 70s hard rock, particularly Zeppelin, and early metal acts (think Sabbath), mixing elements of harder glam bands (Mott the Hoople, T Rex), Queen - and is more or less the American "response" to the NWOBHM. In fact, one of the main bands of that movement, Def Leppard, always more popular on this side of the pond than in their native Britain is also considered a proto-hair metal band (although the band itself eschews such labeling).
Bands like Motley Crue, Cinderella, Ratt, Poison, Winger, Warrant, Dokken, etc., etc., that were on heavy rotation on rock stations and MTV from about 1981 through the early 1990s. Even Twisted Sister kind of fits this, although they always seemed to be an intentional parody of the "pretty" bands.
Because of style similarities, you'll often see Van Halen and even KISS sometimes (not always) lumped in with hair metal, although both of those bands clearly pre-date and influenced the genre, but should not be considered strictly part of it.
Hard rock acts that escaped this label in the 1980s were either - longstanding bands without that "teased up" for lack of a better term, Motley Crue/Poison appearance, such as ZZ Top, AC/DC and things like that, or bands who intentionally went another way (traditional metal acts like Metallica, generally much harsher than hair metal, although they did tend to tease up the hair quite a bit - they also eschewed videos until the late 80s, which helped), such as Guns 'n Roses who almost certainly would have launched a broader "sleaze rock" movement in the 1990s, were it not for, primarily, the Seattle bands (recall that Soundgarden had the first major recording contract, although it is fair to say that Nirvana's SLTS was more or less the Hiroshima of grunge.)
Posted on 1/19/18 at 3:43 pm to Ace Midnight
It's. Kinda glam metal. I never figured the Crue as a real hair band. Their first album was different from the normal formula driven hair metal stuff. I guess they were a hybrid
Same for Def Leppard. "High And Dry" is as NWOBHM as any. They just kinda morphed into a hair band from there.
I blame David Lee Roth for infusing glam into 80s metal
Same for Def Leppard. "High And Dry" is as NWOBHM as any. They just kinda morphed into a hair band from there.
I blame David Lee Roth for infusing glam into 80s metal
Posted on 1/19/18 at 3:46 pm to MorbidTheClown
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hair band?
Glam metal was Party music
Grunge was "after the party is over" music. More philosophical, serious subject manner.
Posted on 1/20/18 at 10:20 am to Ace Midnight
I agree... I never considered Van Halen nor KISS to be a hair band... though some of KISS' songs from Asylum and Crazy Nights could push the envelope.
Cinderella seemed to have something more to me than the typical hair band style. The became evident on Long Cold Winter and especially on Heartbreak Station.
It's a damn shame GnR splintered in the 90's. I would have liked to have seen where they would've gone.
Cinderella seemed to have something more to me than the typical hair band style. The became evident on Long Cold Winter and especially on Heartbreak Station.
It's a damn shame GnR splintered in the 90's. I would have liked to have seen where they would've gone.
Posted on 1/20/18 at 12:49 pm to Chitter Chatter
Nirvana exploded the Grunge era on to the scene just like Blink 182 and Green Day exploded pop punk into popularity in the late 90s early 2000s
Posted on 1/20/18 at 12:55 pm to PrideofTheSEC
Greenday was more mid 90’s. Didn’t they release their first album around 1994?
Posted on 1/20/18 at 12:57 pm to Chitter Chatter
I agree with all of this. Back in the day, my crew were hard-core metal...only. Crue, Ratt and Quit Riot were our jr. High music and left behind by 1986 when Master of Puppets dropped like an A-bomb. Poison, GnR, etc were "Posers" and a big no-no. All thrash (with Ozzy always being accepted no matter what) only unless it was old Sabbath, Misfits, Motorhead and all other NWoBHM bands...fricking Tygers of Pan Tang!!!
Alice in Chains in '89 was scary...were they metal? Yes? No? Do they fricking rock? frick yeah!!! Then Pantera (thank you, Jesus)...but it was all over pretty much by '93 for even heavy metal- (Far Beyond Driven debuting at #1 in '94 the exception) when 4 strange fricks took the stage at Lalapalooza and blew me the frick away. (Tool? What the frick kinda name is that? But Goddamn, they are fricking GOOD!!) Undertow was the Nagasaki of Puppets' Heroshima.
But yeah, "Hair Metal" was never my kinda music. Grunge was the natural progression of 70's rock, skiping straight past the 80s pop-synth crap. If it marked the end of glam, thank God for it.
Alice in Chains in '89 was scary...were they metal? Yes? No? Do they fricking rock? frick yeah!!! Then Pantera (thank you, Jesus)...but it was all over pretty much by '93 for even heavy metal- (Far Beyond Driven debuting at #1 in '94 the exception) when 4 strange fricks took the stage at Lalapalooza and blew me the frick away. (Tool? What the frick kinda name is that? But Goddamn, they are fricking GOOD!!) Undertow was the Nagasaki of Puppets' Heroshima.
But yeah, "Hair Metal" was never my kinda music. Grunge was the natural progression of 70's rock, skiping straight past the 80s pop-synth crap. If it marked the end of glam, thank God for it.
Posted on 1/20/18 at 4:39 pm to weagle99
It was already on life support grunge just pulled the plug. It had a good long run, had grown pretty cheesy and needed to die.
Posted on 1/21/18 at 7:02 pm to weagle99
IMHO, the hair metal scene was mostly smoke and mirrors anyway, the epitome of "perception is reality". There were a handful of reliable stalwarts, just like any other genre, and a bunch of others riding their coattails. The perception was that hair metal was some kind of gigantic scene, no doubt in part to MTV (which was still pretty new) videos portraying these bands as "larger than life" acts playing coast-to-coast to sold-out arenas. The reality is, I've attended alot of concerts in my time, including several hair metal shows, and the majority of said hair bands were struggling to sell tickets, even with multiple bands on the bill....and this was going on as far back as the early 80's, long before anyone ever uttered the word "grunge".
This post was edited on 1/21/18 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 1/21/18 at 7:26 pm to Paul Allen
Dookie came out around 93/94. 1,039 Smoothed-out slappy hours was 1990 I think.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 9:40 am to Chitter Chatter
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It's a damn shame GnR splintered in the 90's. I would have liked to have seen where they would've gone.
True - Axl was polarizing and highly influential - as was the bands songs from the early era.
On the other hand, the Seattle bands really carried the banner of heavy music well - I actually didn't really get into AIC and Tool until the 90s were over, but I remain convinced those are the 2 best heavy bands in the post 1980s era of rock music. I like Metallica's early stuff and Pantera (my BIL is friends with Phil and other guys from the band and Down), but never really got all the way into those bands.
I have pretty eclectic tastes - from Dan Fogelberg/Christopher Cross to Slayer/Sepultura - and almost everything "rock" or even "pop with rock sensibilities" in between, but the era of the 1980s was my "coming of age" time - hair metal was our drug of choice.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 9:50 am to Ace Midnight
i think have a pretty good idea what hair band means. I've just never considered Nirvana a "hair band".
these are what i think of when i hear the term hair band.
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Bands like Motley Crue, Cinderella, Ratt, Poison, Winger, Warrant, Dokken, etc., et
these are what i think of when i hear the term hair band.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 10:21 am to MorbidTheClown
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I've just never considered Nirvana a "hair band".
Respectfully - the premise of the thread (which I partially agree with) is that, whatever the genre of "hair metal" was, that Nirvana came along with Nevermind (and the single SLTS) and the shift to the "alternative" rock acts of the 1990s was almost instantaneous - not that Nirvana was a hair metal band that killed the other hair metal bands.
Unless I'm misunderstanding - if the OP thinks Nirvana was metal at all, hair or otherwise, that's a different discussion for a different time.
AIC? Arguably a heavy metal band, as is Soundgarden (although less so). Nirvana and PJ are grunge, insofar as that term has any meaning. None of the traditional Seattle scene bands are "hair metal" in any reasonable musical lexicon, unless you count Heart in the 1980s and even that is highly debatable.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 10:36 am to weagle99
Hair metal gets a lot of hate but that era produced a ton of great and underappreciated guitarists and vocalists.
Reb Beach from Winger is/was phenomenal.
Reb Beach from Winger is/was phenomenal.
This post was edited on 1/22/18 at 10:37 am
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