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re: Has any band killed a genre like Nirvana killed hair band rock?
Posted on 1/24/18 at 1:32 pm to Tackle74
Posted on 1/24/18 at 1:32 pm to Tackle74
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Laugh but facts bear out the truth 1991 Nirvana Nevermind- 11,850,000 Pearl Jam Ten 13,300,000
You’re off by about 20 million on Nevermind and 10 million on In Utero.
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 1:34 pm
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Posted on 1/25/18 at 9:05 am to logjamming
I was listing US sales only, could not find a quick comparison for international sales
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 9:06 am
Posted on 1/25/18 at 1:49 pm to ruzil
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Punk killed disco.
Even as a huge punk fan, I will categorically state that punk did not kill disco. Not even close. Punk's Year Zero was 1977. Studio 54 OPENED in 1977, and would probably hit its peak in 1979. The Rolling Stones recorded a disco song in 1980 (Miss You).
Hell, punk and disco had a lot of cross-pollination. Debbie Harry was a regular at both CBGB's and Studio 54 (and an early mainstream advocate of hip hop). Bowie isn't punk, but he's got a lot of punk ties (Iggy Pop, Lou Reed, the Dolls) and he was using a lot of disco in that period.
(Also, a lot of the US punk bands were gay or at least gay friendly, so they wouldn't indulge in the queer bashing typical of the anti-disco movement). Yes, hardcore punk hated disco, but that's a later generation (1980-85) of mostly young kids, and they had no commercial impact. Black flag didn't sell many records.)
Most of the anti-disco folks were mainstream rock fans. Who also probably hated the hell out of punk, too. You know, Journey and 38 Special fans. Or the people who eventually would become hair metal fans. Deep Purple begets Whitesnake.
And yes, people credited Nirvana with killing hair metal at the time. It wasn't a claim made after he died. Yes, there was a larger scene. Yes, Mudhoney was the first grunge band. Yes, there was a whole host of underground rock bands who grew out of the punk scene whose shoulders the grunge scene stood on, and they publicly acknowledged their debt (even letting the Meat Puppets play on their special). But as luck would have it, Nirvana was the one that broke it. It could've been any number of bands. It just wasn't. A lot of life is accidental.
Eddie Vedder tried to win Kurt Cobain's cool approval, not vice versa.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:30 pm to Baloo
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Most of the anti-disco folks were mainstream rock fans. Who also probably hated the hell out of punk, too
Well, this isn't really the case. Growing up in that period, Punk was a welcome break to the new bastardization of soul and R&B.
However the acceptance of punk was very regional. I know in larger urban areas there was a close kinship among all "disaffected" musicians.
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 1/29/18 at 9:13 am to Big Scrub TX
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The Black Album, The Use Your Illusions and No More Tears all came out within 6 weeks of each other. It was awesome. (Rush Roll the Bones too!)
these albums, plus Ten, Nevermind, Bad Motorfinger, and BSSM were all released in a 2 month stretch of ‘91.
Hell, the Illusion albums and Nevermind (arguably biggest albums of the decade) were released 7 days apart from each other.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 9:26 am to Tackle74
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If Eddie Vedder was a Herion addicted suicide then this thread would have been how Pearl Jam killed Hair Metal and it would still be incorrect
negative.
Nirvana was credited with killing hair metal before In Utero was even released.
Hell, mainstream America didn’t even know Cobain was a heroin addict yet and the album was selling over 300,000 copies a week.
Ten was released before Nevermind was, but didn’t catch on until almost a year after Nevermind had taken the world by storm.
many people think that had Geffen been prepared for it, Nevermind would have been #1 way earlier than it was.
they didn’t expect it to be any where near as successful as it was and couldn’t produce copies fast enough due to a very low initial supply being made.
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