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re: Gilmour or Waters?
Posted on 6/27/16 at 7:04 am to wolfonthebayou
Posted on 6/27/16 at 7:04 am to wolfonthebayou
Dave Kilminster can play Gilmour's guitar parts but nobody else can sing Waters' vocal parts, without which it no longer sounds like Pink Floyd. So I'll say Waters. He is a piece of shite though.
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Posted on 6/27/16 at 8:53 am to WG_Dawg
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didn't realize that makes someone an inferior artist.
I never said it did. That was in the second paragraph. New subject. That paragraph was about comparing live performances and what each brings to the table.
The fact that the creative output of Roger Waters dwarfs that of David Gilmour is why Waters is the superior artist. Pink Floyd owes their best material to Waters and their post-Waters songs just aren't as good. That's my opinion but I don't think it's all that controversial, is it?
Posted on 6/27/16 at 9:16 am to Treacherous Cretin
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The fact that the creative output of Roger Waters dwarfs that of David Gilmour is why Waters is the superior artist.
Waters is the better overall songwriter and certainly more prolific. Profligacy does not necessarily equal superiority. I say this as someone who enjoys The Final Cut, even, just for what it was. But, from a singing ability or any acumen on the instruments used to actually perform music? Not even fair to compare the 2 - Gilmour at his prime was 10 times the musician and singer Waters was.
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Pink Floyd owes their best material to Waters
Meh. Pink Floyd was at their best when the music was a true collaboration - he might not like it, but with truth serum in him even Waters would admit that, IMHO. He carried a larger share of the load after DSOTM - no doubt. But, that was largely because he was a self-absorbed, prickish control freak - not because he was the 'superior' artist.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 9:32 am to djsdawg
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He is also one of the absolute biggest pieces of shite in human history
Hyperbole?
nope. that's accurate
Posted on 6/27/16 at 3:34 pm to intrepidtiger
Gilmour.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 5:44 pm to Treacherous Cretin
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The fact that the creative output of Roger Waters dwarfs that of David Gilmour is why Waters is the superior artist
I guess we define artist differently.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 6:54 pm to wolfonthebayou
Gilmour
Posted on 6/27/16 at 8:15 pm to Midget Death Squad
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He is also one of the absolute biggest pieces of shite in human history
Hyperbole?
nope. that's accurate
examples?
Posted on 6/27/16 at 9:15 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Waters in terms of concept and writing, Gilmour in terms of skill and fact he's the "voice" of Pink Floyd.
This is the correct answer. Or Syd
Posted on 6/28/16 at 3:30 am to Thurber
Gilmour. No question in my mind.
I have never seen/heard anyone play steel guitar as skillfully as he can. He makes his steel guitar seductively "whine" through the octaves in a way that completely captivates and spell bounds the audience. Practically a trademark sound in many of Pink Floyd's songs (yes, even many of them in the Roger Waters era).
I have practically all of Pink Floyd's music. David Gilmour won me over many years ago. Love him performing in live concert DVDs like "Pulse" and "Delicate Sound of Thunder".
I have never seen/heard anyone play steel guitar as skillfully as he can. He makes his steel guitar seductively "whine" through the octaves in a way that completely captivates and spell bounds the audience. Practically a trademark sound in many of Pink Floyd's songs (yes, even many of them in the Roger Waters era).
I have practically all of Pink Floyd's music. David Gilmour won me over many years ago. Love him performing in live concert DVDs like "Pulse" and "Delicate Sound of Thunder".
Posted on 6/28/16 at 11:09 am to TaserTiger
I think the magic happened when they collaborated
Meddle
DSOTM
Wish you were here
Animals
The Wall ... all 5 star albums
When Rog got the big head-
The Final Cut .. 2 stars at best
Amomentary lapse ... 3 stars
Division Bell ... 4 stars
Pros and Cons....3 stars
all of the other Rog solo albums... 1 star
On an Island....3 stars-
That being said, I'll go with Dave all day long. The guitar and voice that defines Pink Floyd. And Rog is a bleeding heart libtard piece of shite as previously stated. All of his post Floyd songs sound like Tom petty whispering gibberish on downers. so sad,
Meddle
DSOTM
Wish you were here
Animals
The Wall ... all 5 star albums
When Rog got the big head-
The Final Cut .. 2 stars at best
Amomentary lapse ... 3 stars
Division Bell ... 4 stars
Pros and Cons....3 stars
all of the other Rog solo albums... 1 star
On an Island....3 stars-
That being said, I'll go with Dave all day long. The guitar and voice that defines Pink Floyd. And Rog is a bleeding heart libtard piece of shite as previously stated. All of his post Floyd songs sound like Tom petty whispering gibberish on downers. so sad,
Posted on 6/28/16 at 1:17 pm to randybobandy
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The Final Cut .. 2 stars at best
Meh. I'm listening to it right now. Gunner's Dream, Not Now John and Two Suns in the Sunset are money.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 1:25 pm to randybobandy
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The guitar and voice that defines Pink Floyd.
You're the 2nd or 3rd person in this thread to say that and I feel just the opposite. It's Waters' voice that I associate with Floyd. Am I mistaken in thinking that when they were both in the band it was mostly Waters on lead vocals?
Posted on 6/28/16 at 1:39 pm to MountainTiger
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Am I mistaken in thinking that when they were both in the band it was mostly Waters on lead vocals?
Yes. They often traded verse and chorus or David did the bulk of the real singing. Roger rarely "sang" lead when the song was all his, vocally. His was more the Bob Dylan "talking" style of singing precisely because, even at his peak, he was not that strong of a singer.
List of Floyd songs with lead vocals listed.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 1:56 pm to Ace Midnight
Well I'll be dipped. Thanks for correcting me on that.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 2:01 pm to MountainTiger
And as the 70s got later and later, Roger did pick up more and more songs for himself. And, to be completely fair to Roger, most of the "words" (i.e. lyrics) were his, even if David was singing on some.
Roy Harper laughs about them for "Have a Cigar" - if you want to have a chuckle, pull up of the version with their combined vocals - Roger apparently tried it and it was godawful. David tried it and it was only marginally better. They mixed a 'combined' version of their vocals and, certainly compared to the album version with which we're all familiar - impressively bad, worse than I expected - like feral cats.
Roy: "They wrote a song they couldn't sing. But I could sing it."
Roy Harper laughs about them for "Have a Cigar" - if you want to have a chuckle, pull up of the version with their combined vocals - Roger apparently tried it and it was godawful. David tried it and it was only marginally better. They mixed a 'combined' version of their vocals and, certainly compared to the album version with which we're all familiar - impressively bad, worse than I expected - like feral cats.
Roy: "They wrote a song they couldn't sing. But I could sing it."
Posted on 6/28/16 at 2:06 pm to Ace Midnight
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And as the 70s got later and later, Roger did pick up more and more songs for himself.
It appears that he did the majority of the singing on Animals and The Wall.
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And, to be completely fair to Roger, most of the "words" (i.e. lyrics) were his, even if David was singing on some.
That much I knew and I guess because Roger was writing most of the lyrics I must have assumed he sang most of them too.
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 2:33 pm to randybobandy
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The Final Cut .. 2 stars at best
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Division Bell ... 4 stars
how is it even possible to come to this conclusion
Posted on 6/28/16 at 2:45 pm to Ace Midnight
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He carried a larger share of the load after DSOTM - no doubt. But, that was largely because he was a self-absorbed, prickish control freak - not because he was the 'superior' artist.
you know there are other pink Floyd albums beside DOTSM right ACE?
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