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Posted on 5/3/12 at 11:33 am to TheDoc
If she writes any of her own stuff or plays any sort of instrument, then yes. If she only sings, then no, she is a singer.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 12:07 pm to alajones
Lol at thinking "singers" are mutually exclusive from "musicians."
You might as well claim that a basketball player can't also be an athlete.
ETA : a better analogy is claiming that a track and field runner can't be an athlete because he doesn't use a ball.
You might as well claim that a basketball player can't also be an athlete.
ETA : a better analogy is claiming that a track and field runner can't be an athlete because he doesn't use a ball.
This post was edited on 5/3/12 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 5/3/12 at 12:35 pm to SUB
Okay.
I guess I would call the musician someone who is involved in creating the music.
I'm pretty sure Webster's would probably classify someone who performs music as a musician though. Just my opinion.
I assume that's what the OP wanted or he could have just looked up the definition.
I guess I would call the musician someone who is involved in creating the music.
I'm pretty sure Webster's would probably classify someone who performs music as a musician though. Just my opinion.
I assume that's what the OP wanted or he could have just looked up the definition.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 12:48 pm to alajones
quote:
If she writes any of her own stuff or plays any sort of instrument, then yes. If she only sings, then no, she is a singer.
Well someone gets it
Posted on 5/3/12 at 12:50 pm to SUB
quote:
ETA : a better analogy is claiming that a track and field runner can't be an athlete because he doesn't use a ball.
Terrible analogy.
It's like saying someone off the street running in a marathon is a marathon runner. Yeah ok, but not really.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 12:50 pm to SUB
quote:
Your opinion is based on ignorance and shouldn't be taken seriously.
It's not my fault you don't know the difference between a musician and a singer/performer.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 1:13 pm to TheDoc
quote:So why use a singer, then?
I don't consider them a musician.
That's my opinion.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 1:15 pm to TheDoc
So you don't consider beatboxing, acapella, choir, or anything that uses voice without physical instrumentation. . .music?
I just want to be clear here.
I just want to be clear here.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 1:23 pm to Roaad
quote:That's a tough call, because a lot of this involves creating your own music, which means being involved in the creation of music. which I would condsider a musician to be.
beatboxing, acapella, choir
It seems like this is also something you would have to do either as a hobby or profession. My mother was in the church choir for years and I would never call her a musician. My daughter can play the guitar, but doesn't. I wouldn't call her a musician.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 1:31 pm to alajones
90 posts about this shizen, and the thread hasn't derailed?
The mere fact that this is up so high in post count scares me to death, for there must exist many who deem her a musician.
:muthafrickincasty:
The mere fact that this is up so high in post count scares me to death, for there must exist many who deem her a musician.
:muthafrickincasty:
Posted on 5/3/12 at 1:53 pm to TheDoc
quote:
Terrible analogy.
It's like saying someone off the street running in a marathon is a marathon runner. Yeah ok, but not really.
Actually, it's exactly tantamount to you saying that just because someone has vocal chords doesn't make them a musician. The same goes for a runner. Just because I have arms and legs doesn't make me a runner or an athlete. But if you ask someone if they consider someone who runs either as a profession, or for sport, 99% of people would answer that they'd also consider this person an athlete.
What don't you understand? I'm applying your same logic to a similar comparison. Do you not think that a runner is an athlete?
This post was edited on 5/3/12 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 5/3/12 at 2:17 pm to SUB
And to answer the original question, I think it can go either way if you consider this definition:
1. A person who is talented or skilled in music.
2. A person who plays a musical instrument, esp. professionally.
While I don't think Britney Spears is talented or skilled in music, she does sing, which I consider a "musical instrument." I think it's fair if you want to say she's not a "musician" but to say that all singers are not musicians...well that is just silly.
1. A person who is talented or skilled in music.
2. A person who plays a musical instrument, esp. professionally.
While I don't think Britney Spears is talented or skilled in music, she does sing, which I consider a "musical instrument." I think it's fair if you want to say she's not a "musician" but to say that all singers are not musicians...well that is just silly.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 4:04 pm to SUB
A musician is anyone that makes music.
From Wiki:
Singing IS playing an instrument.
Explanation of the human voice as a musical instrument.
Voice is a musical instrument
Acapella, the voice as a musical instrument
From Wiki:
quote:
A musician usually plays a musical instrument, especially as a profession.[1] It may or may not be the person's profession. Musicians can be classified by their roles in performing music and writing music. It's also a person who makes music a profession, anyone (professional or not) who's skilled in making music or performing music creatively, or one who composes, conducts, or performs music (especially instrumental music).[2]
Musicians can be of any music style not limited to classical, orchestral or choral, and musicians can have skills in many different styles outside of their professional experience. Examples of musicians' skills are the orchestration of music, improvisation, conducting, singing, composing, arranging, and/or being an instrumentalist.[3]
Singing IS playing an instrument.
Explanation of the human voice as a musical instrument.
Voice is a musical instrument
Acapella, the voice as a musical instrument
Posted on 5/3/12 at 4:13 pm to alajones
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f she only sings, then no, she is a singer.
Using your vocal cords to produce music is as much music as producing sounds on another instrument. Both can be done will and both can be done poorly. Both are producing music.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 4:23 pm to Roaad
quote:
Singing IS playing an instrument.
False, it's singing.
Using your logic, everyone is a instrumentalist and/or musician.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 4:30 pm to TheDoc
quote:If you own a guitar, are you a musician? If you pick one up and strum it, are you a musician?
Using your logic, everyone is a instrumentalist and/or musician.
Owning vocal cords (a musical istrument) doesn't make you a musician by the same token that owning a guitar doesn't make you a musician.
Your argument keeps failing, yet you keep using it.
Singers are people who have learned to play an elaborate and sophisticated musical instrument.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 4:37 pm to Roaad
quote:
If you own a guitar, are you a musician? If you pick one up and strum it, are you a musician?
Owning vocal cords (a musical istrument) doesn't make you a musician by the same token that owning a guitar doesn't make you a musician.
Your argument keeps failing, yet you keep using it.
Singers are people who have learned to play an elaborate and sophisticated musical instrument.
This.
Every bit of this.
I will take it one step further if a singer, guitar player, drummer, bassist whatever is not playing music in some sort of professional setting (actively and constitently playing gigs) they are not a musician.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 4:38 pm to TheDoc
quote:
False, it's singing.
Using your logic, everyone is a instrumentalist and/or musician.
Are you saying you consider anyone who picks up a guitar and plinks around a musician?
Posted on 5/3/12 at 4:47 pm to TheDoc
quote:
False, it's singing.
Using your logic, everyone is a instrumentalist and/or musician.
Stop trying to insinuate things that weren't even said. Nobody said that possessing an instrument makes one an instrumentalist or a musician(which I and others have already said multiple times). This seems to be the base for your argument, which makes absolutely no sense.
I possess vocal chords and a voice. I'm not a singer / instrumentalist / musician because I'm not using them in that manner. What is so hard to understand?
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