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Collin Raye has a thing or two to say about Bro Country
Posted on 5/16/14 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 5/16/14 at 3:51 pm
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And it goes on from there.
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As a platinum-selling country music artist and, more importantly, a lifelong fan of the genre, I’d like to send out this heartfelt plea to the gatekeepers of the industry:
Enough already.
I’d like to think that I am expressing what nearly every artist, musician and songwriter (with perhaps a few exceptions) is thinking when I contend that the Bro’ Country phenomenon must cease.
It has had its run for better or worse and it’s time for Nashville to get back to producing, and more importantly promoting, good singers singing real songs. It’s time for country music to find its identity again before it is lost forever.
I know, I run the risk of being labeled as a “has-been, carrying sour grapes” by speaking out. Nothing could be further from the truth. I had my run from 1991 until 2002 and I’m quite thankful for that.
I have more hits than I can possibly play in a single concert. I had my day and I do not begrudge anyone having theirs.
But as someone who grew up loving and being forever affected by the true greats of country music, I simply have to offer up this plea to the Nashville country music industry to reclaim the identity and poetic greatness that once was our format. The well-written poetic word of the country song has disappeared.
There appears to be not even the slightest attempt to “say” anything other than to repeat the tired, overused mantra of redneck party boy in his truck, partying in said truck, hoping to get lucky in the cab of said truck, and his greatest possible achievement in life is to continue to be physically and emotionally attached to the aforementioned truck as all things in life should and must take place in his, you guessed it...truck.
I didn’t mind the first two or three hundred versions of these gems but I think we can all agree by now that everything’s been said about a redneck and his truck, that can possibly be said. It is time to move on to the next subject. Any subject, anything at all.
Willie Nelson once wrote in his early song, "Shotgun Willie," that “you can’t make a record if you ain’t got nothing to say.” Apparently, that’s not the case anymore.
Disposable, forgettable music has been the order of the day for quite a while now and it’s time for that to stop.
Our beautiful, time-honored genre, has devolved from lines like, “I’d trade all of my tomorrows for one single yesterday ... holding Bobby’s body next to mine,” and “a canvas covered cabin, in a crowded labor camp stand out in this memory I revive. Cause my Daddy raised a family there with two hard working hands….and tried to feed my Momma’s hungry eyes,” down to “Can I get a Yee Haw?”
And the aforementioned Truck! “Come on slide them jeans on up in my truck! Let’s get down and dirty in muh truck, doggone it I just get off riding in muh truck, I love ya honey, but not as much as muh truck!” Oh and we can’t leave out the beautiful prose about partying in a field or pasture.
And it goes on from there.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 3:57 pm to Jim Rockford
I honestly believe that there's no hope, and we owe it all to teen-age girls. Seriously. There have been numerous studies to show that teen-age girls drive entertainment markets, and it's hard to find one country song on the radio that's not either sung from the pov of one, sung to one, or sung about a guy that teen-age girls presumably find attractive. Nashville figured out how to tap the market, and I don't think there's any going back.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 4:13 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
You forgot "sung BY a guy teen-age girls presumably find attractive".
But suffice it say that I agree with Collin Raye.
But suffice it say that I agree with Collin Raye.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 4:23 pm to Jim Rockford
I respect country music, mainly because the genre was always consistent in that it always tried to preserve tradition. I never really listen to it though, because it's not my cup of tea.
That said, it's been a while since I've listened to any sort of country music station, and there's this girl at my work who loves country music and plays it every once in a while. The first song I usually hear is "It's My Kinda Night", and it plays every 5th or 6th song for the rest of the fricking day.
I never thought country music would get to that kind of a low point. Boy, was I wrong.
That said, it's been a while since I've listened to any sort of country music station, and there's this girl at my work who loves country music and plays it every once in a while. The first song I usually hear is "It's My Kinda Night", and it plays every 5th or 6th song for the rest of the fricking day.
I never thought country music would get to that kind of a low point. Boy, was I wrong.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 4:42 pm to Jim Rockford
Agreed.
Of course, Collin Raye appears to think he couldn't play more than 3 songs in a concert.
Of course, Collin Raye appears to think he couldn't play more than 3 songs in a concert.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 4:44 pm to Yak
quote:
"It's My Kinda Night"
perfect example
truly horrible song, about swooning a girl in the cheesiest way possible
chart-topper
Posted on 5/16/14 at 5:59 pm to Jim Rockford
I agree with his perspective, but Collin Raye was a pop country artist himself in the 90's.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 6:33 pm to Jim Rockford
First problem is that they're making bank on this stuff, not that I don't totally agree with him. That line about his hit songs not fitting into a concert is a little cheeseball, though.
There was a joke I heard years ago when country started to become not-country.
It's late-night on music row, and an engineer is grinding through mixes from that day's session. He hears a knock on the load-in door and goes to answer it. Outside stands (insert Collin Raye). He appears disheveled, drunk and asks if he can have five minutes of studio time - holding up what looks to be several hundred dollars in his shaking hand.
The engineer agrees, sets up a mic and dissappears into the control room. Collin clears his throat and launches into (insert his above letter) ending with "F#%K this town and all you posers, I'm done" then shoots himself right there.
Engineer presses talk-back and says "Ok, we've got a level anytime you're ready".
There was a joke I heard years ago when country started to become not-country.
It's late-night on music row, and an engineer is grinding through mixes from that day's session. He hears a knock on the load-in door and goes to answer it. Outside stands (insert Collin Raye). He appears disheveled, drunk and asks if he can have five minutes of studio time - holding up what looks to be several hundred dollars in his shaking hand.
The engineer agrees, sets up a mic and dissappears into the control room. Collin clears his throat and launches into (insert his above letter) ending with "F#%K this town and all you posers, I'm done" then shoots himself right there.
Engineer presses talk-back and says "Ok, we've got a level anytime you're ready".
Posted on 5/16/14 at 8:16 pm to Backinthe615
Stupid people like stupid shite. The country music that's recorded and released to country radio now isn't designed for people that are fans of music. If you are a fan of music then seek out good shite and quit worrying about it.
Posted on 5/17/14 at 8:16 am to Pettifogger
quote:I was thinking the same thing. I looked on Wikipedia and he had less than 20 songs chart in the top 5. George Strait sings 30+ songs in his shows and most of them were #1s
Of course, Collin Raye appears to think he couldn't play more than 3 songs in a concert.
That being said, I agree with his sentiment, but there will be a breaking point reached - just like it did with the Outlaw movement. If the Nashville Sound and the pop arrangements of that time lead to the Willies, Waylons and David Alan Coes, this move toward pop/rap wannabes will eventually spawn the same backlash.
Posted on 5/17/14 at 8:53 am to nm1230
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Stupid people like stupid shite. The country music that's recorded and released to country radio now isn't designed for people that are fans of music. If you are a fan of music then seek out good shite and quit worrying about it.
This.
I don't understand why the MB is obsessed with bashing modern country all of the time. All you have to do is not listen to it.
Posted on 5/17/14 at 6:57 pm to The Dudes Rug
The last really good original country song I heard was "Mendocino County Line" (Willie Nelson & Lee Ann Womack)
*I would say "Whisky Lullaby", but it is way too reminiscent of "He Stopped Loving Her Today"
**I also liked what the Dixie Chicks were doing until Natalie Maines forgot who her target audience was and opened up her big fat fricking mouth.
*I would say "Whisky Lullaby", but it is way too reminiscent of "He Stopped Loving Her Today"
**I also liked what the Dixie Chicks were doing until Natalie Maines forgot who her target audience was and opened up her big fat fricking mouth.
Posted on 5/17/14 at 7:19 pm to The Dudes Rug
because the artists who are touring their arse off with good bands aren't getting the money they need to keep recording music and touring. Gigs don't pay shite especially if you're playing your own stuff, if you're fairly unknown, you make about 3X more playing a wild wings and covering this bullshite.
Posted on 5/17/14 at 7:30 pm to olddawg26
i mean obviously not everyone can be famous and cover songs are gonna be more popular at bars and restaurants. I just feel like music is wasting its talent, and these people who don't know any better are missing out on the good song writing. I'm not losing any sleep over it, but I just wish everyone could hear how much better it gets 
Posted on 5/18/14 at 7:21 am to LuckySo-n-So
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I also liked what the Dixie Chicks were doing until Natalie Maines forgot who her target audience was and opened up her big fat fricking mouth.
They were/are great. Chick rock for sure but well written. And all three members can play. 2 of them can probably play ANYTHING with a string on it.
I've been telling my wife this for over 5 years. "Who's that guy? He looks as country as me. That's NOT a cowboy". Things like that.
It's like they just gave up and pander to the whiskey tango demographic. One numb nut I had to see and can't recall name did the Ronnie Dio metal symbol. He crossed his arm when he did it but acted like he invented it. Ridiculous. You aren't playing country music. You look like an idiot, not a cowboy. And you are stealinga 30 year old hand gesture from a metal artist. WTF??
This stems from a combo of things. Toby Keith's "look". His pissing match with Dixie chicks. Scaring people from writing anything that may provoke thought. And something that has been used for years and drives me nuts. FALSE TWANG! Unless you are George Strait you can't play up a twang. Country music is always going to have a trashy element but now it seems un American to not be trashy. And a high dollar white trash look has been cultivated. Brand new straw hats that look beat to shite, bandanas, cut off sleeves, tattoos. All of these used to be dirty but now embraced and even essential to a person getting a record deal. Colin Raye is spot on about his truck reference. He did however leave out creek references.
Posted on 5/18/14 at 9:05 am to The Dudes Rug
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I don't understand why the MB is obsessed with bashing modern country all of the time. All you have to do is not listen to it.
It would be nice to turn on a country radio station and hear something worth a shite.
Posted on 5/18/14 at 9:27 am to h0bnail
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It would be nice to turn on a country radio station and hear something worth a shite.
Well that's just your opinion. I'm sure there are lots of people who enjoy it.
Posted on 5/18/14 at 10:22 am to The Dudes Rug
quote:
I'm sure there are lots of people who enjoy it
Yeah, that's the problem. Lots of people with bad taste in music, who just love Nashville pop.
Posted on 5/18/14 at 11:40 am to The Dudes Rug
quote:
I don't understand why the MB is obsessed with bashing modern country all of the time. All you have to do is not listen to it.
I understand where you're coming from, but that attitude is why the radio has been taken over by this crap. Modern country usually snuffs out any chance of something better taking off because the people who like it are willing to pay for it, but as the other guy noted a backlash can occur if others make it known that's what they want and vote with their wallet. Nashville is gonna keep grinding out the same shite and cashing the checks as long as people like us just keep downloading torrents and catching a bar show here and there. Meanwhile, the guy singing the "good shite" you're describing goes back to roofing because it pays better.
Posted on 5/18/14 at 12:27 pm to LuckySo-n-So
quote:
The last really good original country song I heard was "Mendocino County Line" (Willie Nelson & Lee Ann Womack)
There are really good country songs released every day.
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