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re: Brian Wilson of Beach Boys and Pet Sounds
Posted on 7/17/26 at 3:42 am to hogcard1964
Posted on 7/17/26 at 3:42 am to hogcard1964
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Well ok. This clears everything up.
Not trying to clear anything up, it’s a direct response to you. I’ve yet to meet a musician that I’d consider even remotely serviceable that didn’t think highly of Wilson and what the beach boys did for music. Everyone has opinions, some just don’t hold much weight considering the source.
Posted on 7/17/26 at 7:44 am to Legba007
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Dude....This is on point! and Mike Love is a penis with ears
Yea, completely useless. ...as a performer as well as a person. He went out of his way not to get along with Brian and Carl. Although he had reason to despise Dennis.
I thought Al Jardine, Bruce Johnson and Carl Wilson came off as decent guys. ...the rest...blah
Brian was OK. He's just not the "musical genius' people make him out to be. Like I previously said, he was the most important member of their group.
This post was edited on 7/17/26 at 7:46 am
Posted on 7/18/26 at 11:44 pm to Everyday Is Saturday
A masterpiece of harmony and musicianship.
Posted on 7/19/26 at 10:37 am to Everyday Is Saturday
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ust watched Prime’s ‘documentary’ on Brian Wilson.
Is this the one with the RollingStone journalist and him riding around in the car and hanging out? Saw that one and it was quite sad the state he was in during that filming.
Have never been a huge fan of Beach Boys, but can respect the impact they made and being on the forefront of a lot of things.
Posted on 7/19/26 at 1:19 pm to hogcard1964
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Pet Sounds..meh
I’m not a huge BB’s fan, but Pet Sounds was pretty groundbreaking.
I admit, you must have some appreciation for the difficulty of singing complex harmony parts to really appreciate it though. Most listeners have ears that are tuned to expect the standard three part harmony. Anything beyond that jacks with their ability to comprehend what’s taking place.
Posted on 7/19/26 at 2:36 pm to geauxbrown
It's not terrible per se'. I'm glad he limited Mike Love's input on it.
Posted on 7/19/26 at 2:38 pm to Lsut81
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Is this the one with the RollingStone journalist and him riding around in the car and hanging out? Saw that one and it was quite sad the state he was in during that filming.
Yes and yes, agree. Brian Wilson seemed to be a shell of himself. That said, I never really knew much about him to really compare. Seemed like his brain was in 3rd gear turmoil mode.
This post was edited on 7/19/26 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 7/20/26 at 6:12 am to Everyday Is Saturday
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Yes and yes, agree. Brian Wilson seemed to be a shell of himself
I mean, I hope the journalist was genuine, but the way he had to steer the convo and talk to him was just sad.
Like when they were listening to his brothers song and in the middle, Brian says "stop, thats enough" and then theres an akward silence and the reporter says 'well how about xxxx". The whole thing just felt weird and in a way manipulative of a guy who didn't have it all there.
Posted on 7/20/26 at 9:06 am to hogcard1964
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Yea, completely useless. ...as a performer as well as a person. He went out of his way not to get along with Brian and Carl. Although he had reason to despise Dennis.
I thought Al Jardine, Bruce Johnson and Carl Wilson came off as decent guys. ...the rest...blah
Brian was OK. He's just not the "musical genius' people make him out to be. Like I previously said, he was the most important member of their group.
It's a shame Brian had a nervous breakdown since I would have loved to have seen what other things he could have achieved.
And I care to see if I can prove it, I think Mike Love was a major contributor to Brian's collapse by being a short-sighted bully to someone who was clearly fragile. He would have been happy spitting out their "409" and "Be True To Your School" formula forever. Brian was at least attempting to keep them contemporary.
His Rock and Roll Hall of Fame speech confirmed his reputation as a Grade A a-hole.
Posted on 7/20/26 at 9:39 am to Mizz-SEC
Recorded partly along side but not included on Pet Sounds, I think "Good Vibrations" is the Beach Boys master work. Their high point in my book. Love that freaking song.
Posted on 7/20/26 at 10:04 am to Everyday Is Saturday
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But Pet Sounds as a whole does nothing special for me.
Man...I kinda felt this way the first time I listened to Pet Sounds. I liked it, but I wasn't blown away. That was College me. 10-20 years later and I rediscovered The Beach Boys. Pet Sounds is amazing...as is Smile (original recordings with Brian's completed versions spliced in). Those two albums were the most interesting stuff The Beach Boys did because of the genius of Brian. Unfortunately he kinda went nuts and had a hard time continuing on in making music at the same level.
The cool thing about The Beach Boys, and The Beatles as well, is that they both were able to transcend their boy band / pop ethos and become something much different and trailblazing. I love both versions of both bands. You just don't see many other bands who have been able to do something like that.
This post was edited on 7/20/26 at 10:08 am
Posted on 7/20/26 at 7:43 pm to Everyday Is Saturday
I always thought Pet Sounds was one of their best albums.
Around 1964 or 1965 I went to Daytona Beach for Spring break and the Beach Boys were there playing on the beach for free. There was a small crowd of about 100 people watching them so I was able to get pretty close to them. They were all wearing their iconic striped shirts and singing their early songs. They even sang "Louie, Louie" but it was the ultra dirty version and I was surprised they would sing that version since they always portrayed themselves as being wholesome young men. Nevertheless, it was great to listen to them live during their early years as a band.
Around 1964 or 1965 I went to Daytona Beach for Spring break and the Beach Boys were there playing on the beach for free. There was a small crowd of about 100 people watching them so I was able to get pretty close to them. They were all wearing their iconic striped shirts and singing their early songs. They even sang "Louie, Louie" but it was the ultra dirty version and I was surprised they would sing that version since they always portrayed themselves as being wholesome young men. Nevertheless, it was great to listen to them live during their early years as a band.
This post was edited on 7/20/26 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 7/20/26 at 7:46 pm to Dawglovertoo
Did Brian give you a private concert?
Posted on 7/20/26 at 7:54 pm to hogcard1964
You are just jealous of me because I was lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time to see some great bands close up and in their prime.
Posted on 7/20/26 at 8:04 pm to Dawglovertoo
Yes, you're right.
Posted on 7/21/26 at 7:36 am to olddawg26
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Not trying to clear anything up, it’s a direct response to you. I’ve yet to meet a musician that I’d consider even remotely serviceable that didn’t think highly of Wilson and what the beach boys did for music.
You can just listen to interviews of musicians that knew and worked with him and they all loved him. Carol Kaye said the studio musicians would compare their schedules and be like, "ooh, you get to work with Brian today!" and just be extra excited.
Posted on 7/21/26 at 9:08 am to wareaglepete
Fun fact you can hit carol up and get video bass lessons. She’s a cool cat. Didn’t always love Brian though she def thought he was out there. Probably bc he started a fire in the studio and tried to all make them wear fireman helmets
Posted on 7/21/26 at 9:20 am to Dawglovertoo
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Around 1964 or 1965 I went to Daytona Beach for Spring break and the Beach Boys were there playing on the beach for free. There was a small crowd of about 100 people watching them so I was able to get pretty close to them. They were all wearing their iconic striped shirts and singing their early songs. They even sang "Louie, Louie" but it was the ultra dirty version and I was surprised they would sing that version since they always portrayed themselves as being wholesome young men. Nevertheless, it was great to listen to them live during their early years as a band.
That is a very cool story. I'm jealous as hell.
Posted on 7/22/26 at 9:00 pm to Everyday Is Saturday
Every time I listen to Pet Sounds there’s something new that grabs my attention.
You can’t compare their earlier surfing, cars, girls, stuff to the direction they went to with PS. There are hints of brilliance here and there (intro to California Girls being one) but it was such a dramatic shift into something different.
Brian treated the vocals as their own instrument and the vocals were mixed accordingly. In the writing process this was factored in. It wasn’t a process of “lay down some instrumental tracks, lay down some vocals, engineer, mix, release it.” Treating the voices those guys had this way, the chord inversions, using bass lines for melodies, and on and on….it was very radical for the time. He passed certain songs off for others to take the lead on understanding the strengths and vulnerabilities of his band mates (He had Carl take the lead on God Only Knows because Carl’s voice was sweeter and softer).
There is some really good stuff in the post PS releases. Some entire albums were disjointed but there were some really interesting tunes mixed in. Quite a few from the era where they were more of an R/B band stump people when you ask them to guess who they are listening to. The maturity of the other guys as songwriters is apparent and while not on Brian’s level, they still put out some damn good stuff and made ridiculous amounts of money touring overseas where their musical maturation was accepted. It wasn’t in the US as much because they were typecast as a “fun in the sun” boy band, The grittier post Pet Sounds recordings are well worth a listen.
You can’t compare their earlier surfing, cars, girls, stuff to the direction they went to with PS. There are hints of brilliance here and there (intro to California Girls being one) but it was such a dramatic shift into something different.
Brian treated the vocals as their own instrument and the vocals were mixed accordingly. In the writing process this was factored in. It wasn’t a process of “lay down some instrumental tracks, lay down some vocals, engineer, mix, release it.” Treating the voices those guys had this way, the chord inversions, using bass lines for melodies, and on and on….it was very radical for the time. He passed certain songs off for others to take the lead on understanding the strengths and vulnerabilities of his band mates (He had Carl take the lead on God Only Knows because Carl’s voice was sweeter and softer).
There is some really good stuff in the post PS releases. Some entire albums were disjointed but there were some really interesting tunes mixed in. Quite a few from the era where they were more of an R/B band stump people when you ask them to guess who they are listening to. The maturity of the other guys as songwriters is apparent and while not on Brian’s level, they still put out some damn good stuff and made ridiculous amounts of money touring overseas where their musical maturation was accepted. It wasn’t in the US as much because they were typecast as a “fun in the sun” boy band, The grittier post Pet Sounds recordings are well worth a listen.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 6:48 am to 32footsteps
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You can’t compare their earlier surfing, cars, girls, stuff to the direction they went to with PS. There are hints of brilliance here and there (intro to California Girls being one) but it was such a dramatic shift into something different.
I feel that Brian and the BB progressed a lot beginning with the All Summer Long album that continued onto Today and Summer Days albums that led into Pet Sounds.
You are correct, the post Pet Sounds albums are all pretty good, but disjointed. There are a lot of hidden gems on those albums. I love Holland.
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