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Blind Taste-test (Listen-test) - Classical Cello, Approx. 3 minutes

Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:20 pm
Posted by tigerpawl
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Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:20 pm
Thought this would be an interesting way to pass the time during the COVID19 confinement and also test your musical ear.

Here are 2 versions of "Le Cygne" (The Swan) played by 2 different cellists. Please listen and post your preference. What made you like one over the other? I'll post the corresponding YouTubes tomorrow morning.

Version 1

Version 2

Not looking for tonal quality of the recording but rather playing style. If Version 1 and Version 2 went head-to-head on the same stage, who would win? Why are some cellists recognized as "elite" and others are not?
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 3:51 pm
Posted by ruzil
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Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:44 pm to
I liked the first one better. I found that the second one was higher pitched and to my ears, not as soothing.

That's all I got.
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
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Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:54 pm to
Version 2.
Didn't get cute and be too delicate with the piano accompaniment. It was there and bold upfront.

Cello and piano were better integrated and equally and forcefully presented as a duet.

IMHO. Like your idea.
Posted by tigerpawl
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Posted on 4/1/20 at 1:08 pm to
quote:

I liked the first one better. I found that the second one was higher pitched and to my ears, not as soothing.
Version 1 was recorded in a studio. Version 2 was in front of a live audience which may account for the difference in tone. Good ear.

I'm not a classical aficionado by any stretch. Mainly looking to see how well we mortals can discriminate between two different versions of the same thing. Not unlike comparing a $10 bottle of wine to a $100 bottle. How do you measure it?
Posted by L.A.
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Posted on 4/1/20 at 1:22 pm to
quote:

I liked the first one better. I found that the second one was higher pitched and to my ears, not as soothing
Ditto
Posted by tigerpawl
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Posted on 4/1/20 at 1:25 pm to
quote:

I liked the first one better. I found that the second one was higher pitched and to my ears, not as soothing
quote:

Ditto
Not really looking for the technical quality of the recording (bass, mid-range, highs) but rather the playing skill and execution of the individual. Hoping a classical music teacher could chime in on this as to what qualities distinguish one cellist from the others. What makes one cellist "elite" in the world of classical music? If Version 1 and Version 2 had a playoff on the same stage, who would win?

This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 1:35 pm
Posted by AlxTgr
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Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:01 pm to
2. Sounded richer somehow. I have bad ears and know almost nothing about music.
Posted by r3lay3r
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Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:36 pm to
Liked the second better. As mentioned the two instruments play off each other better.
Posted by tigerpawl
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Posted on 4/1/20 at 3:35 pm to
quote:

As mentioned the two instruments play off each other better.
So I'm not interested in the duet. I'm focused entirely on the cellist. Who, between the two of them, would you rate superior to the other?

Spoiler: One of them is Yo-Yo Ma. Here's a pic of the other (is this what you imagined?):



Which is which? Which one is the Crowned Prince of the cello world and which is our mystery girl?
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 3:47 pm
Posted by awestruck
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Posted on 4/1/20 at 7:14 pm to
Me

Two

The second seemed to emote more. It was a combination of better timbre (not just woodiness, not just sound, and not just better recording) but a sense bringing something that was deeper in (or within) the cello out. The second also (2me) had a better interplay as in syncopated rise and fall that spanned from note to note with hints of vibrato; while the first seemed to stretch the piece to fit it's allotted space. The 2nd was more crisp, had more life, and maybe it was just the recording but more on key. While the 1st was more slurry in texture; which is probably more high brow and universally appealing than it was to my ears.

Which probably means Yoyo Ma was number 1.
Posted by NyCaLa
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:06 am to
I'm also coming in on #2, for the reasons awestruck cited.
Posted by tigerpawl
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 7:00 am to
As promised, here is the "unmasking" of the cellists:

Version 1 (revealed)

Version 2 (revealed)
Posted by awestruck
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 4:57 pm to
And so what did you hear?
Posted by tigerpawl
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 7:59 pm to
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And so what did you hear?

Let me be clear - I dabble in Classical. My only organized playing experience was 2nd trumpet in a high school band. But even in that modest roll, I came to appreciate the different elements of sheet music and how the composer intended the piece to be laid out for the listener. It was a great time in my life and has stayed with me through the years.

I heard V2 pretty much as you described it. I liked it better than V1 - not because of the fidelity of the recording, but she seemed to nail the pitch of each note (most string instruments I listen to seem to be on the flat side). She appeared to be polished in her style. She had great precision. Her subtle pauses were well-timed and evoked anticipation from the listener looking for the next note and kept them engaged. She did an admirable job of tapering notes into silence. I thought the piece had nice momentum from end to end. Seamless. Obviously, each performer has their own interpretation of how the piece should be played and claims a bit of indulgence when they play. I think she actually one-upped YoYo Ma in this case.

In all fairness to YoYo Ma, the girl did have a rather large accompaniment of strings just behind her, albeit nearly imperceptible.

I guess the point I was trying to make with this little experiment is that I have a healthy sense of resentment for anointing performers as world-class when there's really not much to support it vs. other [starving] musicians in terms of their command of the instrument and how they channel their personal passion through it and converting it into sound for the enjoyment of fellow humans. I enjoy pulling for the underdog. It's encouraging to know that there are other performers amongst us that can give the big dogs a run for their money any day of the week. Stumbling across this girl and this particular piece is a nice find.

Thanks for playing along...
This post was edited on 4/2/20 at 8:13 pm
Posted by ruzil
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:02 pm to
quote:

I guess the point I was trying to make with this little experiment is that I have a healthy sense of resentment for anointing performers as world-class when there's really not much to support it vs. other [starving] musicians in terms of their command of the instrument and how they channel their personal passion through it and converting it into sound for the enjoyment of fellow humans.


You must love the song The Gallery by Dire Straits. It explains your point exactly.

The Gallery- Dire Straits
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:09 am to
i dated a classical cellist while in college, she used to practice in her birthday suit which was pretty damn sexy

in any event, this piece was her favorite, she played it for me dozens of times and i still listen to it 30 years later

dvorak cello concerto in b minor
Posted by composerdave
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Posted on 4/4/20 at 4:19 pm to
I preferred #2. The performer seemed to dig in more which I liked.

And that's when we get to subjectivity. It seems Ma's interpretation is to be more delicate, more dynamic (at least at the beginning).

You want us to discount the circumstances of the performances. But in some ways those are WHY they sound as they do. The recording of two is clearly micced differently than 1. There is far more hall and air (and this is long before you can hear the audience). Recording 1 is MUCH more intimate. While they are in a hall, the miccing is set up for those two instruments. Because #2 is part of a larger concert, the mics were set up to accommodate more than the piano and cello. And you can sense, even if you articulate it, the presence of the audience.

I would not be disappointed in either were I at the performance.
Posted by bayoubengals88
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 2:40 pm to
I prefer version 1
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