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re: Audiophile/Vinyl Thread - Post Pics, Advice, Questions, Setups, etc.

Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:09 pm to
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:09 pm to
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NAD D-3045


Would also throw in audiolab m-one integrated & ps audio sprout as other options for small form factor integrated amps around that price point. Usually you could get a nice deal on all of these amps used, but I feel like the used market has kind of gone crazy price wise, like everything else electronics related.
Posted by JackSmith40000
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:43 pm to
Thanks for the recommendations. What’s a reputable used market site?
Posted by pheroy
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Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 9/21/21 at 11:10 pm to
I use hifishark.com as a meta search. If you know exactly what you are looking for, register and save a search there and it'll send you notifications across several sites.

US Audio Mart / Canuck Audio Mart is solid. Audiogon seems to have become less favored. AVS Forum has a classified section but not nearly as many people there.
Posted by HebertFest08
The Coast
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 1:08 pm to
Hey guys.. I asked this a good while back.. it didn’t get much traction at the time or any I think…

I’m getting a streamer. I’m trying to keep it reasonable for now, so of course I was looking at the Node, which has the new version 3 out. It has some updated stuff and obviously has tons of great reviews. However, I’ve recently read about the Audiolab 6000N as well and that has great reviews and is recommended highly by WhatHifi. Which leads me to the Cambridge CXN v2. The CXN is a step up in cost at 1k from the other 2 at $549 and $600.

Any thoughts on the Audiolab vs the Node v3? Any thoughts on making the jump up to the CXN vs the others? The CXN is about as much as I want to put into it. I know there are better options, but this is going to be my first one. I just don’t want to take a huge dive in at first.
Posted by pheroy
Raleigh, NC
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 1:58 pm to
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HebertFest08


I don't know a lot about various streamers themselves; I use a Mac Mini with a USB connection to a DAC, myself. So it's kind of the ultimate in flexibility, I can use whatever service or app works best.

Having said that - what kind of streaming are you looking to do?

- Services like Spotify, Tidal etc?
- Local content from NAS or external drive?
- From your phone or other device?

That might affect the target feature set and device that's best for your needs. Reading about the Node, it seems like it supports almost anything above. (Except for Apple Music, which is only supported by using AirPlay 2 from an i-device.)

Crutchfield has quite a few listed under $1k here:

LINK

Denon DNP-800NE looks like it might be another good choice in addition to the Node & Audiolab.

Edit: Looks like the Audiolab 6000N does NOT have AirPlay, so if that's a factor proceed accordingly.
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 2:01 pm
Posted by HebertFest08
The Coast
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 2:36 pm to
It would be just for streaming tidal and Spotify probably 95% of the time. Airplay isn’t that big of a deal as I don’t have a huge library of music. Plus is I’m playing a concert or something on my TV, it’s going through my Apple TV. My TV is connected via an optical output to my Vena and in turn to my Vandersteens.

I have a quad vena, so technically I don’t need a DAC. But most of the streamers seem to come with a DAC. Now whether that’s better than the Quad’s DAC or not, I don’t know.
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 2:38 pm
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 2:51 pm to
If I were in your shoes I’d probably order one from amazon, spend about a month with it, return it, and then proceed to the next one. All 4, Cambridge/Bluesound/Audiolab/Denon, are available on Amazon with prime shipping and free returns. Then you can make an informed decision on which one hits the sweet spot for you in terms of money/performance.

I’m not sure if some people frown on that, but I do it. I’m currently doing that with phono stages, and I’m about to do that with wireless headphones. Worst case scenario you might have to pay some sort of restocking fee for returned items depending on the seller, but I don’t think I’ve had to yet, and even if I did I’d just look at it as a rental fee which would’ve been worth it to audition the gear.
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 3:00 pm
Posted by pheroy
Raleigh, NC
Member since Oct 2006
704 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 3:44 pm to
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quad vena


Hadn't heard of that so had to look it up. Looks like a nice piece, and the DAC is pretty stout. So I'd be looking with that in mind. Looks like the 4 models mentioned have at least some form of digital out, most offer both coax & SPDIF.

The Vena has a USB input so you could also connect a computer directly to it if that's an option to consider. Like, if you already have a laptop you could re-purpose for no cost.
Posted by HebertFest08
The Coast
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 5:27 pm to
Nah. I don’t want to have to work a computer every time I want to switch music. I like the idea of using an app or remote when I’m doing stuff in the kitchen etc.

The idea of getting stuff through Amazon isn’t bad either…. The problem is I can’t even count on Amazon to deliver stuff or for them to get stuff in proper fashion right now.

Hell I have a golf club and a pair of shoes in BR that I tried to get switched to pick up via fed ex. Those bastards won’t even do that, they refused the request from PXG. They said they haven’t even emptied the trailers the packages are on and they’ve both been in BR for 3 days.
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 6:11 pm
Posted by JackSmith40000
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 9:29 pm to
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I use a Mac Mini with a USB connection to a DAC, myself.


How does this work? Is it just a Mac mini or do you have a monitor hooked up too? How do you interact with your iTunes (via the DAC) how do you add music to the mini?

Just wondering cause I’ve got a pretty large iTunes collection
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 9:30 pm
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
Member since Mar 2013
20522 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:39 pm to
For those interested Qobuz & Music Direct are currently offering a free 3 month trial. It appears to work even if you’re a current customer, and have taken advantage of the usual free month trial in the past.

LINK
Posted by pheroy
Raleigh, NC
Member since Oct 2006
704 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:45 pm to
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How does this work? Is it just a Mac mini or do you have a monitor hooked up too? How do you interact with your iTunes (via the DAC) how do you add music to the mini?

Just wondering cause I’ve got a pretty large iTunes collection


I'll try to summarize but with some detail. I definitely wouldn't say this is the most convenient setup for most - it's in part just a setup I put together years before network streamers existed, and have retained.

* The CD collection is ripped from my main Windows PC (because the Mac Mini has no optical drive) to a Synology NAS, via iTunes.

* The Mac Mini is accessed from above PC via RealVNC; so the Mini is mostly used "headless" as a remote controlled computer. (I do have kb/mouse/monitor attached but only used in extenuating circumstances b/c the Mini is not in the most convenient location.)

* I use JRiver Media Center to access and play the NAS iTunes library on the Mini. That means I also have to add any new CD rips to the JRiver library. There is 1 folder per CD on the NAS, but 2 separate libraries pointing to it. iTunes on the PC is set to keep the library organized/updated. This could potentially result in JRiver losing track of a CD but in practice rarely does, unless I myself change something basic like the artist or album name.

* Main problem most would see is that I don't have a good remote control setup for this. The closest is an iOS app called JRemote that I use on my phone, that can control JRiver with some limitations. (Mainly, if the Mini goes to sleep it has to be woken for JRiver to respond.) However, for Tidal I don't have any way to remotely control. I have been thinking about getting a Roon subscription in part to solve this issue.

For most people, especially if you're just setting something up, a streamer probably makes a LOT more sense. I like to have more flexibility and control though. For instance, when I recently tried Apple Music it was easy to just start using the app on the Mini. A streamer would need it to play from my iPhone using Air Play, which would 1) require the streamer to have AirPlay; 2) more importantly, not allow any hi-res streaming due to AP limitations.
Posted by HebertFest08
The Coast
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6393 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 11:10 am to
How is the Quboz service? Like I said in the previous post I use Spotify and Tidal. I’ve never tried Quboz.

That being said I think I’ll buy the streamer I’ll get though Music Direct. I just remembered I have a few hundred dollar gift card to them that I’ve had for a couple years. It needs to get used.

So, I guess that puts me at the node (3), possibly that denon and the Cambridge.
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 11:29 am to
I use Qobuz and am quite happy. Phone interface works nice. My account is setup on my NAD M33 so I get album cover and music info on the front screen on the M33.
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
Member since Mar 2013
20522 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:10 pm to
I like it. I think I’ve read that tidal is supposed to have the larger library, but Qobuz has more hires tracks? I’ve had issues with albums not being available on both though.

I think Qobuz has more jazz & classical than tidal, and tidal has more rock?

I’m not sure which one I prefer sound quality wise, or if I can really tell a difference between hires & mqa through my system. Both sound really good to my ears.

For me my biggest issue with tidal is that it’s overpriced IMO. They are still charging 20/mth for hires tier. Qobuz is 13/mth for their hires, or cheaper still at just under 11/mth if you pay for a full year upfront.

I keep going back and forth between companies, and still can’t really make up my mind as to which one I prefer. For me, the significantly cheaper cost at the moment gives the edge to Qobuz.
Posted by JackSmith40000
Member since Aug 2012
133 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 7:05 pm to
Thanks for the info. Clearly there are tons of different ways I could go about skinning this cat.
Posted by pheroy
Raleigh, NC
Member since Oct 2006
704 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 11:21 pm to
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Thanks for the info. Clearly there are tons of different ways I could go about skinning this cat.



I hear you. I actually have been mulling over a redo of my setup. Even since I got my current rig about 7 years ago things have changed a good bit with the rise of Streamer/DAC/Preamp type boxes. Currently I've got a Krell analog only integrated amp with a PS Audio DAC, plus a Yamaha receiver for HDMI inputs (linked by preamp outs to the Krell integrated). Then I also added a VPI turntable so had to get a phono preamp, so the dedicated boxes have multiplied and I'd kind of like to streamline and simplify.
Posted by HebertFest08
The Coast
Member since Aug 2008
6393 posts
Posted on 9/24/21 at 9:42 am to
Yeh Tidal is expensive. I’ve been thinking about the same things. I have a decent setup, but I don’t think it’s decent enough to distinguish the MQA recordings. Generally, if I’m streaming stuff I’m not sitting in front. I’m cooking or doing stuff around the house. I’m more likely to sit if I have the turn table going. Well I guess I’ll sit if I have a concert going, but then again that’s coming through my Apple TV.

I may give Qobuz a try to see. I have to have something other than Spotify b/c my wife isn’t afraid to jack my account when she is with friends or teaching yoga.

So, I guess my next deal would be to make sure which ever way I go will stream Qobuz as well.
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35573 posts
Posted on 9/24/21 at 11:16 am to
It was so nice to take my entire system down to this. Now I need to get on my woodworker about a back and shelves for the rack.

This post was edited on 9/24/21 at 11:17 am
Posted by pheroy
Raleigh, NC
Member since Oct 2006
704 posts
Posted on 9/24/21 at 12:15 pm to
Yep, you and that awesome M33 are definitely part of what is on my mind, VABuckeye!
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