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Amps. Already have a modeling amp or two.

Posted on 3/13/22 at 8:18 am
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/13/22 at 8:18 am
What’s a next logical step? I want to sound like poor man’s Eric Clapton.

Want to avoid the pedal wormhole as much as possible.

Is there an option or should I just stick to modeling amps?

Really want a general discussion of amps that can be used from practice to couch to bedroom amp but could play a small venue or hold up with friends. No stacks or cabs. Unless you guys can educate me on smaller ones. When I think of them the image in my mind is a Marshall that looks like an ice machine. Or a head on a cabinet that is enormous as well. Both of which need to be cranked to really be heard properly.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20024 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 10:24 am to
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Really want a general discussion of amps that can be used from practice to couch to bedroom amp but could play a small venue or hold up with friends.


That’s a huge range of uses. But sounds like you are looking for a tube amp in the 15-50 watt range. Lots of choices have attenuation options these days but such mixed reviews on how good they sound.

Price range also crucial to this discussion.

However two really cool options are the Mesa boogie California tweed and Marshall studio vintage. These are high end though. Fender has all kinds of price points but they are generally too clean for my liking.

Modeling amps are cool but being able to get good your sound just with amp controls is an important skill. Tube amps just have a better sound, hard to explain but it just feels more natural. I waited too long to play through all tube so would at least have that as an option. But tube amps have to be played loud
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 3/13/22 at 10:46 am to
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^ get this and a blues driver pedal to start with, and go from there. It's not going to be perfect, but you can be learning about the sound you want, and how to get it. Then later, when you want to spend some money on a tube amp, you will know more how to find what you want. Most of Clapton's sound came from his fingers anyway.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 3/13/22 at 10:58 am to
I’d personally look at Clapton’s gear, and go with a great clean tube amp that has a lot of head room before it starts to break up on the clean channel and that takes pedals well.

Dr Z Nova

Messa Boogie Filmore

Tone King Imperial MKII

Fender Princeton Reverb


Dr Z is one of the best retro voiced overdrive channel amps I’ve heard, but also has a fantastic clean channel as well to push with pedals, but may be the best for Clapton stuff without pedals.

Best clean overall may be Tone King and the fact you can attenuate it to bedroom levels is a huge plus in my book. It breaks up really sweet, but the Fillmore is right there with it in clean tones and as a pedal platform The California Tweed by Boogie is also a great clean amp. It’s hard to beat a Fender for traditional clean tones, so a nod goes to Princeton as well, but it does lack the head room of the others.

If you want to get crazy though, the Two Rock Studio Signature is a hand wired amp that is simply out of sight, but it’s priced that way too, so you better budget for it. It’s not cheap.


This post was edited on 3/13/22 at 11:02 am
Posted by mwlewis
JeffCo
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/13/22 at 7:49 pm to
Clapton used the Marshall Bluesbreaker early in his career. I think he switched to Fender amps later on. His sound is really very basic with little effects used but his playing is what gives him his unique sound.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20024 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 7:53 pm to
It’s also notable that Clapton has been an almost exclusive strat player since the 70s
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/13/22 at 8:18 pm to
Back from work with time to chime in.

Mesa California Tweed. Too rich for my blood.

I have no problem going used. Going over $500 seems silly to me. But that’s just me and my opinion hand in hand with my ability.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 3/14/22 at 3:13 am to
For concert tours Clapton has used Marshall, Fender Blackface Twin Reverb, Music Man stacks , Soldano stack, then for over 20 years a Fender High power Tweed Twin, and for his last tour a custom built Fender Tweed Bassman Clone. The only effects he has used over the last 30 years are a Wah Wah pedal, and a actual organ Leslie for Chorus effect. He gets all his distortion and sustain from just cranking the amp up.
Posted by Easye921
Mobile
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 3/14/22 at 7:55 am to
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Tone King Imperial MKII


I want one of these soo bad. One of the best amps I've ever played. I generally just play my axe fx 3 most of the time, but if I were to buy a tube amp it would be that or a Morgan AC-20.
Posted by jdd48
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:23 am to
I'd say don't completely discount the mini versions of tube heads that have debuted over the past 10 or so years. They sound fantastic both at bedroom levels and at club levels due to having built in output options. It doesn't even have to be a full stack. You can get a whole lot of mileage out of a mini head with a 2x12.
This post was edited on 3/14/22 at 12:48 pm
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:40 am to
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I have no problem going used. Going over $500 seems silly to me. But that’s just me and my opinion hand in hand with my ability.




Seems like you want someone to suggest a used blues jr

It’s a good amp, just not my favorite and you can get some used 15 watts from the major manufacturers in that price range - I have a Vox AC15 that I think was $550 a few years ago but I don’t love it.

I wish I would have spent more for better gear when I was still learning (ie terrible). My parents bought me an American tele when I was like 26, by far nicest instrument that I had and had been playing almost 10 years. I was a bit embarrassed that they bought me something so expensive especially since I had a good job and could have bought myself if I wanted but just wouldn’t have given myself enough credit to buy something that expensive. However, that guitar motivated me to take my playing to the next level. It felt good in my hands. When I bent the strings they just wrang out like I hadn’t experienced before. I progressed more in that year than the 10 before it.

Why an amp, getting something nice is the same experience - you will be able to hit some tones that your modeler won’t get you - tones you have heard on records before that will make you feel more capable.

I say all that just to not fall in the fallacy of buying gear suited to your skill level, if you expect your skills to improve. Not necessarily to increase your price range

If you want something loud enough to play with drums, you will need at least 15 watts of tube or 100 Solid State. They will be loud on their own though, so I’d have something different for the couch.

There are so many options out there, tough to pick even if you know what you want. But again if it were me, I’d be looking into a one speaker (10 or 12) combo tube in the 15-25 watt range. Those basically start at $500 so would just look at new offerings and compare that to reverb to save some cash. The Orange rocker 15 might be a great choice, it’s attenuated and has 2 channels and can be had for $500 used.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:46 am to
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Tone King Imperial MKII


I want one of these soo bad. One of the best amps I've ever played. I generally just play my axe fx 3 most of the time, but if I were to buy a tube amp it would be that or a Morgan AC-20.



I’m right there with you. That’s almost certainly my next amp as well. Not much on that turquoise, but I can do the other colors for sure.

Morgan is solid as well, but I think what gets me with the Tone King is the attenuation when the preamp is pushed at levels that are manageable.

Posted by Easye921
Mobile
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 3/14/22 at 10:53 am to
I've never played the Morgan, but it sounds so good on the Axe Fx. It's my go to edge of breakup amp on there.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27004 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 3:03 pm to
I guess I just haven’t had the chance to REALLY spend time with an amp that is not a modeling amp.

Sitting for 10 minutes at guitar center in front of a tweed fender that’s out of my price doesn’t really count. And I don’t want to be Guitar center shredder. Blasting Smoke on the Water for the billionth time.
Posted by Pvt Hudson
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 3/14/22 at 3:12 pm to


I love this thing. May be small for a venue other than the local dive bar. I keep it in my office and scroll through the various settings. Perfect for different moods.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20024 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 4:00 pm to
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Sitting for 10 minutes at guitar center in front of a tweed fender that’s out of my price doesn’t really count. And I don’t want to be Guitar center shredder.


Oh I hear that. It’s awkward even for someone that plays often. I’m not used to picking up a guitar and having someone watch me with no warmup or anything.

The good thing with used is it will keep its value pretty well if you buy and sell in good shape. I’d buy something, play at home and if you don’t like it, you can sell and be out for maybe the cost of shipping.

Modeling amps have come a really long way. They have their place and since you already have one (or more) I’m suggesting a tube amp. Again the difference is subtle, but tangible to the player. I’d liken it to car with a powerful engine like a Ferrari. You can hear the roar when it gets revved and it can turn your head passing by, but to actually press the gas and feel it’s responsivess is empowering.

The tube amps typically have minimal effects, so it’s also good to build a foundation of tweaking a base/clean signal. The whole concept of distortion is a natural phenomenon of using tubes, so learning how to get the dirt you want from the amp/guitar signal, then layer your effects on that signal will help get more out of those modelers as well.

Full disclosure: I am interested in every amp I see so it’s hard for me to focus on one as well. I was looking into getting another tube amp like the one I am suggesting, but the Hurricane forced us into an apartment, so I wound up with a Yamaha THRiii wireless as any other choice would simply be too loud. I can actually play along, with backing tracks run through it while kids are watching tv in the same room. Serviceable effects. It’s an awesome little amp and although very pricey it has me playing every single day again, so my main advice is just that- buy something you will actually use.

If you want to make me jealous, get the Suhr Hombre or Mesa Filmore or Cali Tweed. I know you said that is too much $$$ but they are all awesome.
Posted by Clint Torres
Member since Oct 2011
2662 posts
Posted on 3/15/22 at 6:51 am to
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can be used from practice to couch to bedroom


quote:

sounds like you are looking for a tube amp in the 15-50 watt range


Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20024 posts
Posted on 3/15/22 at 8:28 am to
I mean the man says he wants to sound like Clapton, whose sound is pretty dry, with the exception of using a wah he pretty much gets tone straight from the amp - a tube amp.

He also said this:

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but could play a small venue or hold up with friends


So, what is it that you recommend that could be as well suited on the couch as a small venue with other musicians?

The orange rocker 15 can power down to .5 watts. For an amp capable of keeping up with others that’s a pretty good option to keep the volume under control when you need it.

I also made the assumption that his current modeling amps would function for his practice better than something with more output if that’s what he is looking for. I spent too much time having 2-3 decent amps that weren’t much different from one another. So I stand by investing in an all tube option for when he can crank it up.
Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1240 posts
Posted on 3/15/22 at 11:17 am to
Tube: If you're looking for affordable, high quality tube versatility from clean to pushed blues to vintage rock, in a variety of available wattages/sizes/speaker combos, research the two-channel Peavey Classic series combos of the 1990s into the early 2000s.

SS: All my corksniffer buddies who have nice gear and who are constantly chasing nice gear are raving about the new series of Fender "Tonemaster" amps that replicate vintage tube classics. They tell me they sound insanely accurate to what they model, they are lightweight, no tube hassles, they have onboard attenuation for low-wattage options, they are affordable and you don't have to worry about the value and upkeep of a 55-year old electronic device. I really need to try one.

Posted by bgoodwin
Cullman, Al
Member since Sep 2011
589 posts
Posted on 3/15/22 at 2:32 pm to
You may want to look into the Fender Tonemaster Deluxe Reverb, it's a bit more cash, but I was shocked just how close it sounds to a tube Deluxe Reverb.
I use a custom built 57 Tweed Deluxe style amp, even with "only" 15 watts, I can't crank it enough at home for it to really sound good, unless nobody else is in the house. I've got a little crappy solid state amp for practice, and I use the Tweed for gigs.
This post was edited on 3/15/22 at 2:34 pm
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