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re: 79 year old Roger Waters (Pink Floyd) is touring.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:09 am to supatigah
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:09 am to supatigah
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Pink Floyd put out excellent music after Waters left
I don’t agree. But if that is what you think, I can see why you think Gilmour is the brains behind the band.
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Then let us compare Pink Floyd before Gilmore,
You didn’t really touch on this. PF was great before Gilmour, and better than the post Waters PF, IMO.
I don’t like Gilmours solo efforts. The stuff that he writes sounds over produced and cheesy - much like the post Waters albums. The word “synthetic” comes to mind when I hear those albums. He’s an incredible guitarist though. I just think he needs help in the songwriting and composing department to really let his talents shine.
This post was edited on 10/6/22 at 8:12 am
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Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:14 am to supatigah
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Pink Floyd put out excellent music after Waters left. Not equal to what they had when waters was there. But excellent nonetheless.
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For me, Waters did nothing Worth Talking about after he left Pink Floyd. I don’t like his solo stuff at all.
Yes!He has not written anything relevant in 40 years IMHO, while Gilmour has several excellent solo records along with a couple really good Floyd records.
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His politics and his desire to force them on his audience is just part of his egomania.
Yes!
I'm lucky enough to have seen Floyd when they were still a great band. Watching a raving and drooling 80 year old madcap villainize Trump/Jews/Oil companies ect while crying over his dead father is proof Roger gotta be crazy. Rog, please burn out or fade away, it is too late to work on points for style.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:53 am to supatigah
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Gilmore was the genius behind the music.
Pink Floyd put out excellent music after Waters left. Not equal to what they had when waters was there. But excellent nonetheless.
This is such bullshite. Waters dominated the writing on Wish You Were Here, Dark Side Of The Moon, and, especially, The Wall, their three best albums. Gilmore's solo stuff is boring. I get Gilmore comes off as a much better person, but he simply was not the "genius behind the music." That was Waters who is an a-hole.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 10:28 am to HubbaBubba
Just waking up and had a awesome night last night. I arrived in Austin yesterday morning and my wife and I spent the day walking around and checking out the UT campus. By the afternoon we got bored and figured we'd just get dinner somewhere and chill in the hotel room. We walked by to check out the Moody Center and what do I see?
Smashing Pumpkins with Jane's Addiction is scheduled to play that evening! There were plenty of tickets available and we got great seats for a great price. fricking fantastic show and an awesome surprise.
Can't wait to see Roger tonight!
Smashing Pumpkins with Jane's Addiction is scheduled to play that evening! There were plenty of tickets available and we got great seats for a great price. fricking fantastic show and an awesome surprise.
Can't wait to see Roger tonight!
Posted on 10/6/22 at 10:29 am to EarlyCuyler3
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Yes, that's exactly what it is. And I do have an invite. Shoot me an email
Hell yeah dude, that would be much appreciated. I'll fire an email over your way when I get back into town
Posted on 10/6/22 at 11:34 am to rebelrouser
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Waters dominated the writing on Wish You Were Here, Dark Side Of The Moon, and, especially, The Wall, their three best albums.
I talked about Waters great lyrics
but that is NOT the music
lyrics + music = song
Gilmour is the genius behind the music
I dont like the PF psychedelic stuff before Gilmour, I dont like the Waters stuff after PF and I love the PF stuff when they were all together
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Gilmore's solo stuff is boring. I get Gilmore comes off as a much better person, but he simply was not the "genius behind the music." That was Waters who is an a-hole.
Gilmour's PF stuff in the 80s and 90s reflects the loss of Waters input and lyrics but it also reflects the style of that time. Especially the Richard Wright synth parts.
The PF Waters/Gilmour stuff in the 70s is timeless, the PF Gilmour stuff afterwards is a direct reflection of the 80s era.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 11:46 am to efrad
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Smashing Pumpkins with Jane's Addiction is scheduled to play that evening! There were plenty of tickets available and we got great seats for a great price. fricking fantastic show and an awesome surprise.
fully intended on going to this show in houston, was going to wait to buy tickets and I completely missed the fact they changed the concert date from 10/9 to 10/3
sucks because i really wanted to see JA too
Posted on 10/6/22 at 12:28 pm to supatigah
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I talked about Waters great lyrics
but that is NOT the music
lyrics + music = song
Gilmour is the genius behind the music
Are you telling me that Waters wrote the lyrics and then Gilmour wrote all the music? Because you should call his lawyer because the guy really got screwed in the credits if that is true.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 12:54 pm to rebelrouser
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Are you telling me that Waters wrote the lyrics and then Gilmour wrote all the music?
nope, did not say that. Gilmour did not write all the music. Gilmour was the guy who tied everything together and made it all work. Gilmour and Waters together were amazing and brought out the best in each other.
But to me, Gilmour > Waters in the grand scheme of things.
quote:I dont understand what you are saying here. I should call whose lawyer? Why should I call someone's lawyer?
Because you should call his lawyer because the guy really got screwed in the credits if that is true.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 2:32 pm to rebelrouser
I think we can safely say that they both benefited from working WITH each other than separately.
It sucks, but people grow tired of each other, especially when they are both incredibly talented and hugely successful.
It sucks, but people grow tired of each other, especially when they are both incredibly talented and hugely successful.
This post was edited on 10/6/22 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 10/6/22 at 3:27 pm to supatigah
I'm saying that the majority of good PF songs from their great albums are credited to Waters and not Gilmour. Meaning Waters wrote both the music and the lyrics. Kind of like McCartney/Lennon wrote a lot more stuff than Harrison. I'm not saying Gilmour wasn't important and even essential; i'm saying Waters was the heart and soul of the band and responsible for most of its music.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 4:21 pm to rebelrouser
this person says it better than I can
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Gilmour has always been the true musicican in Floyd. From the very start (almost), he took charge in shaping Waters’ ideas into listenable pieces. Together with Wright and Mason, he made them into the classics we know today. Sure, Waters was the man behind most of it, but could he play? No. Could he write down the long instrumental parts? No. It’s all Gilmour and Wright. I think what Waters’ did best was to say “I like this” and “I don’t like this”. He has always been good at hearing what he wants and telling the band how to do it, but it takes a musician to make it happen…
Posted on 10/6/22 at 6:37 pm to supatigah
I don't know who wrote that, but I don't believe it. That would mean Gilmour would have been credited on songs or he got cheated. That also doesn't explain the PF output prior to Gilmour or what Waters did after.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:06 pm to rebelrouser
What are you talking about “credited?”
Credited by whom?
Credited by whom?
Posted on 10/7/22 at 8:09 am to rebelrouser
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I don't know who wrote that, but I don't believe it. That also doesn't explain the PF output prior to Gilmour
The pre-gilmour PF output was 1 album that wasn't even remotely the refined musicianship we would come to know post Gilmour. Piper just sounds like a bunch of young people tripping otu banging on instruments. It worked for the time but it's pretty pedestrian musically. Enter Gilmour and while it's still a bit raw you get glimpses of them tightening up musically. And from there they were off.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 8:36 am to efrad
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Smashing Pumpkins with Jane's Addiction is scheduled to play that evening!
I was at the show too, baw. How much did you get tickets for? I'm surprised you got them for cheap, as the arena looked pretty full. But the same thing happened last time SP played at Erwin Center. It didn't sell out and I could have gotten much better seats for the same or less $ off of StubHub.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 8:37 am to rebelrouser
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I don't know who wrote that, but I don't believe it. That would mean Gilmour would have been credited on songs or he got cheated.
Its pretty much industry standard that the music songwriting credits go to the person writing the basic chords/melody and not arrangers/soloists. So for example, even though Richard Wright's intro solo in Sheep was really the most memorable part of the song musically, he got no songwriting credit because it wasn't the base chords/melody. Same with Gilmours solos on Money (or Dick Parry's for that matter). It's just the way the credits work out.
Another example is George Martin. He really transformed a lot the Beatles songs from simple ideas to what they became but got no songwriting credit on any of it.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 8:41 am to WG_Dawg
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Piper just sounds like a bunch of young people tripping otu banging on instruments. It worked for the time but it's pretty pedestrian musically.
Piper is widely regarded as a masterpiece. To call it "pedestrian" is crazy. Sure, it doesn't sound like DSOTM, Animals, The Wall, WYWH, etc. It doesn't really fit with most of the rest of PF's catalog at all. But it is a staple for any psych rock fan.
Also, Waters was on Rogan yesterday for anyone interested in listening.
This post was edited on 10/7/22 at 8:43 am
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:21 pm to SUB
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Also, Waters was on Rogan yesterday for anyone interested in listening.
That should be interesting.
I'm watching it now.
This post was edited on 10/7/22 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 10/7/22 at 1:28 pm to EarlyCuyler3
About an hour in and I think if people just listened to him talk without their biases they'd be surprised how much they might agree with him. 
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