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re: Your top 5 Science Fiction Movies all time..
Posted on 1/9/12 at 12:01 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 1/9/12 at 12:01 pm to OMLandshark
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I still don't get the argument in that it can't be both sci-fi and fantasy.
Fiction can be both sci-fi and fantasy. I think something like "The Matrix" would fall into both categories.
However, there really isn't sci-fi elements in Star Wars.
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Posted on 1/9/12 at 12:02 pm to The Creaux
There are a lot of great movies that could move in or out of my top 5-10 but I think I would probably always include
2001
Contact
Terminator
I like Minority Report and Gattacca for making pretty good use of what I think of as the classic formula for science fiction (how does revolutionary technology change the society? - btw excepting the obvious reasons why not this would mean a movie about a future Eli Whitney and the cotton gin would have made a helluva science fiction movie in 1800)
Regarding the Star Wars science fiction or fantasy debate I would say the originally trilogy was really more of a science fantasy take on traditional myths... but that opinion will probably inspire howls of outrage from people who are firmly in the science fiction or fantasy camps. And I think the example of seeing a unicorn in either star wars or star trek would have an easy out - if explained it would presumably be explained as a "novel" lifeform from another planet or an engineered organism
2001
Contact
Terminator
I like Minority Report and Gattacca for making pretty good use of what I think of as the classic formula for science fiction (how does revolutionary technology change the society? - btw excepting the obvious reasons why not this would mean a movie about a future Eli Whitney and the cotton gin would have made a helluva science fiction movie in 1800)
Regarding the Star Wars science fiction or fantasy debate I would say the originally trilogy was really more of a science fantasy take on traditional myths... but that opinion will probably inspire howls of outrage from people who are firmly in the science fiction or fantasy camps. And I think the example of seeing a unicorn in either star wars or star trek would have an easy out - if explained it would presumably be explained as a "novel" lifeform from another planet or an engineered organism
Posted on 1/9/12 at 12:03 pm to THRILLHO
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Children of Men
Can't believe I forgot that one.
Definitely Top 5, probably Top 2
Posted on 1/9/12 at 12:16 pm to OMLandshark
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Eternal Sunshine..
A unicorn would make sense in this film.
Huh? They live in regular America. Again, like Blade Runner...you can't include dreams/imagination...anything can happen in dreams/imagination...that's cheating.
We are talking about "science fiction" movies where people go about their normal life in a world where a Unicorn is a common animal or something people ride like horses...jump on its back in the snow...fight the Evil Empire in their AT-ATS...
See, it becomes painfully obvious that Star Wars is fantasy whenever you simply describe a scene from the movie. It's like reading a children's story.
This post was edited on 1/9/12 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 1/9/12 at 12:58 pm to tigger1
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agreed Lotr and Willow fall under Sword and Sandal fastasy adventure movies were as Star Wars is pure......
Sci-Fi
Any college teacher teaching something else is reading more into the movie than should be.
BTW it is a copy of of a Sword and Sandal romantic comedy adventure.
It could also be said anyone claiming it's scifi is not reading enough into it.
The story doesn't rely at all on any science fiction technology. You could easily set the entire story/plot during the middle ages and it would be just as effective. They even still use swords and call each other knights! All these other scifis have plots where the technology doesn't exist in real life but is crucial to the story.
Posted on 1/9/12 at 1:02 pm to Zamoro10
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Which is why I was always bewildered when fanboys fawned over Tarantino as some great director. You're not some genius when your life's work becomes one mashed-up homage.
He's just the fan/film nerd who made it big.
His creativity is not behind the camera but his writing ability - which is why I am glad he didn't get to direct True Romance.
so you bash him for borrowing from a lot of movies (which is all in the writing of the script) and then say is true talent is in writing?
Tarantino makes great movies and any argument otherwise is saying he just borrowed so anyone could do it....riiiiiight. That's as stupid as people saying anyone can paint an abstract painting. Sure, you could do it, but it would look like crap.
Posted on 1/9/12 at 1:06 pm to Antonio Moss
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However, there really isn't sci-fi elements in Star Wars.
You and I don't need to quibble over such an inconsequential matter but Star Wars meets every criteria applied to the Sci fi genre.
1. Futuristic science and technology - check
2. Space travel - check
3. Aliens - check
These are the requirements according to wiki:
A time setting in the future, in alternative timelines, or in a historical past that contradicts known facts of history or the archaeological record.
A spatial setting or scenes in outer space (e.g., spaceflight), on other worlds, or on subterranean earth.[3]
Characters that include aliens, mutants, androids, or humanoid robots.
Technology that is futuristic (e.g., ray guns, teleportation machines, humanoid computers).[4]
Scientific principles that are new or that contradict known laws of nature, for example time travel, wormholes, or faster-than-light travel.
New and different political or social systems (e.g. dystopia, post-scarcity, or a post-apocalyptic situation where organized society has collapsed).[5]
Paranormal abilities such as mind control, telepathy, telekinesis, and teleportation
An argument can be made that there are fantasy elements in play but to say it doesn't qualify as a sci fi is to disregard the definition of sci fi.
Posted on 1/9/12 at 1:09 pm to Holden Caulfield
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These are the requirements according to wiki:
wiki, lulz
It's a fantasy that's packaged to look like a scifi.
Posted on 1/9/12 at 1:24 pm to iggle
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All these other scifis have plots where the technology doesn't exist in real life but is crucial to the story.
So, stopping a ray beam that will blow up a planet isn't crucial to the story?
You "genre" nerds are a hoot.
And you could substitute any plot theme in any movie. In Bladerunner, instead of 'cyborgs' you could have Indians, and call it a western. So it wouldn't be sci-fi either.
Posted on 1/9/12 at 1:26 pm to iggle
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It's a fantasy that's packaged to look like a scifi.
Then there's no such thing as sci fi
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wiki, lulz
It was an easy way to research. Sorry if I have other items on my plate.
Posted on 1/9/12 at 1:29 pm to The Creaux
I got one that hasn't been mentioned....
Barbarella. Just watching a young Jane Fonda in skimpy see through clothes for 2 hours puts it in my top 5.
Others:
BladeRunner
Star Wars
Outland
Alien
oldies but goodies:
Original Invasion of the Body Snatchers
Original War of the Worlds
Original Day the Earth Stood Still
Barbarella. Just watching a young Jane Fonda in skimpy see through clothes for 2 hours puts it in my top 5.
Others:
BladeRunner
Star Wars
Outland
Alien
oldies but goodies:
Original Invasion of the Body Snatchers
Original War of the Worlds
Original Day the Earth Stood Still
Posted on 1/9/12 at 1:33 pm to Antonio Moss
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However, there really isn't sci-fi elements in Star Wars.
How do you explain that the main bad guy is a cyborg? And that his machine part is meant to represent his loss of humanity (and goodness)? Classic scifi element.
How do you explain that the baddies use tech to its fullest (robot armies, clone armies, freezing a protagonist, bigger ships, starbases that destroy planets) while the good depend MORESO on the force (which helps destroy the death star), and tech retrograded into the appearance of primitive weapons.
That is a CLASSIC scifi story. The bad guys relying too much on technology and being done in by the "human" spirit.
This post was edited on 1/9/12 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 1/9/12 at 1:40 pm to Holden Caulfield
quote:Exactly.
Then there's no such thing as sci fi
If you want to get to the base root of the genre debate, you have 2 genres: Drama or Comedy.
The sub-genre of Science Fiction has always been used to describe a story with futuristic stuff, aliens, and space.
I say again, if Star Wars isn't Sci-Fi, then there is no such thing as Sci-Fi.
Is it fantastical? Yes. But you can say that about ANY MOVIE that is based on things that DO NOT EXIST.
Bladerunner, 2001, etc.
All fantastical, and therefore fantasy.
Posted on 1/9/12 at 1:46 pm to Roaad
Yep, from wiki, lulz, roflmao, blah blah blah, it calls Star Wars a "space opera." Here is what it has to say about "space operas:"
That 1 tells where it's cited by a couple of smart guys named Hartwell and Cramer in 2008 FWIW.
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It was only in the early 1990s that the term space opera began to be recognized as a legitimate genre of science fiction.[1]
That 1 tells where it's cited by a couple of smart guys named Hartwell and Cramer in 2008 FWIW.
Posted on 1/9/12 at 3:06 pm to Brosef Stalin
1) Planet of the Apes (Original)
2) 2001
3) 2010
4) The Thing (James Arness original)
5) Primer
2) 2001
3) 2010
4) The Thing (James Arness original)
5) Primer
Posted on 1/9/12 at 4:29 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Am I the only one to mention Ice Pirates?
Posted on 1/9/12 at 6:41 pm to Zamoro10
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Huh? They live in regular America. Again, like Blade Runner...you can't include dreams/imagination...anything can happen in dreams/imagination...that's cheating.
Well, half the film takes place inside of Jim Carrey's head, so thats what I'm talking about.
Posted on 1/9/12 at 9:10 pm to The Creaux
The Andromeda Strain
Posted on 1/10/12 at 11:10 am to The Creaux
The Day The Earth Stood Still (orig.)
Terminator II
Invaders From Mars (orig.)
Tarantula
The Thing '82
Close:
Back to the Future
The Day of the Triffids
The Blob (orig.)
Invasion of the Body Snatchers
War of the Worlds (orig.)
Deep Impact
The Terminator
HM: War of the Worlds (Cruise)
The Crawling Eye, The Thing That Wouldn't Die,
Plan 9 From Outer Space, Aliens, Poltergeist,
Alien, Star Wars, Monolith Monsters, Independence Day, 2012
Terminator II
Invaders From Mars (orig.)
Tarantula
The Thing '82
Close:
Back to the Future
The Day of the Triffids
The Blob (orig.)
Invasion of the Body Snatchers
War of the Worlds (orig.)
Deep Impact
The Terminator
HM: War of the Worlds (Cruise)
The Crawling Eye, The Thing That Wouldn't Die,
Plan 9 From Outer Space, Aliens, Poltergeist,
Alien, Star Wars, Monolith Monsters, Independence Day, 2012
This post was edited on 1/10/12 at 11:12 am
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