re: Wonder Woman Movie ***SPOILERS*** Thread

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Aries only came at the end but he was cool. Very powerful, and he was intimidating when he armored up. Now, I don't understand why he doesn't just kill off humans directly and without her help. He wants them gone but wants them to do it to themselves, for some reason, but then wants to join forces with her and kill them?

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There were flaws in this movie. Some idiots will try and convince you it's the perfect comic book movie and without flaws but it wasn't perfect and it had flaws. They were nowhere near as bad as batman vs superman and suicide squad and weren't cringe worthy like the last 2 DCEU films. I watched it with a couple people, one a huge DC fan but hates the DCEU and another that loves the DCEU but wouldn't know a good movie if it bit her in the meat curtain. The 3 of us enjoyed it but we firmly believe it's good and not great like some posters on here will lead you to believe. It's definitely worth a watch but I wouldn't make a second trip to the theater to see it again like I did for Dark Knight, Avengers, Winter Soldier and Watchmen. Like I said earlier, definitely not top 10 but most likely in the top 20.

Here is what I thought about it:

For the first 75% of the movie I thought it was in line to be a top 2 or 3 comic movie.

The last 25% went too over the top with CGI and began looking like Man of Steel shitstorm of a fight.

I enjoyed Ares and thought he was really good but wished they had played it down a bit more instead of going apeshit.

This one still falls in line behind Dark Knight for best DCEU movie and there is a pretty wide gap behind it in my opinion. This should have been the first movie that they released in the DCEU and built around her for Man of Steel and Justice League.

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I'd substitute Batman begins with Dark Knight

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It takes way too much suspension of disbelief for some of the Joker's actions to work. They're still great, but within the logic of the movie, it's hard for me to buy. Like how could the Joker possibly have accounted for a helicopter going down that street at that exact altitude in order to wreck? Or how could the Joker get that number of explosives into a hospital within like 4 hours and not get noticed? There's many other examples of this in the movie. I don't see anything of this level in Batman Begins.

Plus I think the third act needed another rewrite as well. It's great, better than Wonder Woman, but it's absolutely a flawed product.

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and maybe throw in Watchmen and Avengers.

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Good, but not flawless. I think I can specifically point towards a truly masterful sequence in Watchmen in Doctor Manhattan's backstory. That was filmmaking perfection. Save for the first 10 minutes, nothing else comes close to that height in the movie, and I think it's more due to the strength of the source material than anything else.

The Avengers is fun, it's absolutely what Whedon wanted it to be, but the aircraft carrier stuff... I don't know, there's something off about it compared to the rest of the movie. I like the Avengers, but I think Guardians 2 years later did it better than they did, save for the villain, but that pays off when Star Lord crashes Ronan's triumphant moment with a dance off.

And I'll add another one to the flawless super hero movies: The Incredibles. That is a perfect film.

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I'm talking about the people like fewer kilometers who seems to think it's damn near perfect....and it's not.

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Fair enough. I don't care how bad the Justice League film is, I'm confident he will love it.

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As gorgeous as Gal Godot is(and boy is she gorgeous ) she is still miscast. That's not to say she was bad in this, but there are better actresses that could have played this part perfectly.

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She did it well enough. I bought it. She was certainly not my first choice, but I don't think she did bad or anything in it. They cast Superman perfectly, but have raped his character with his actions and dialog. I'll accept a slight miscast that doesn't take me out of the movie over a good casting that betrays everything the character stands for.

I just thought of something, that once this scene reaches the internet is going to be the perfect side-by-side comparison on why Batman V Superman is a piece of shite and why Wonder Woman is great and competent: their respected bathtub scenes.

So here's the one from BvS: LINK. All Lois and Clark talk about is Superman being blamed for the deaths and Superman saving her. Not only that, but he goes in there with the groceries, which I see no reason why anyone would do that, and then enters the tub with his clothes on, which I can't see anyone doing except if someone was drowning. I was going to add why he would go to the bathroom first, but then it's Superman who has X-Ray vision so I'll let that slide.

Was that supposed to be a touching scene? No it wasn't and I'll tell you what it's only purpose was: to get the audience sexually engaged. Lois is naked for the dudes and lesbians and Clark becomes shirtless for the girls and gays. That is something straight out the Michael Bay playbook. There is nothing at all of substance here, and any director halfway worth a shite would not have had that scene play out in a bathtub. It reminds me of that scene when Padme was in a dominatrix outfit in Attack of the Clones.

Now let's compare this to the Wonder Woman bathtub scene. It's funny, it serves a purpose, we learn more about both of their characters, there's a reason for it to be sexually tense, it's awkward, and it's silly in a good way and not just where Clark runs into the bathtub with his clothes on like a rapist would. It makes sense why that scene would take place take place in a bathtub and its creative. You also can't remove it and make the relationship as meaningful. This is the microcosm on why one sucks and one is great.

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I don't buy genre as an excuse for shitty filmmaking. You hear this about completely unpassable shite in movies aimed at kids, but yet Disney and Pixar give us incredibly smart movies that get better as you age.

I'm not moving an inch. We deserve good and competent filmmaking in all genres. shite like BvS or the upcoming Emoji Movie should be incredibly bashed and not have a place in cinema.

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Could not agree more sir!

That was an iconic scene though and added greatly to the film. It said they were creative and truly in love. Why was the bathtub scene needed? Did it tell us anything we didn't know about their relationship? If it doesn't, then don't do it. I mean why the hell didn't Clark walk in on Lawrence Fishburne in a bathtub when he talked about Batman? It had as much relevance as that.

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This is movie based off a comic book right?

Why so serious?

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Well to be fair, superhero comic books weren't necessarily juvenile in their storylines, they were just fantastic (fantasy-based), and until quite recently, were very hard to visually translate to film, and be as believable as the artwork.

The Incredibles is an example of this... it's animated, but absolutely not just for children. Even at the time that was made (not that long ago), it would have been hard to pull off live. We see Avengers-level violence and mayhem inside a city setting.

You STILL see various films struggle with depicting that in a believable manner, but they are getting a lot better with it.

Acting and good characterization, on the other hand, is not dependent on the latest technology; it's based on good actors having a good script and good direction.

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I just thought of something, that once this scene reaches the internet is going to be the perfect side-by-side comparison on why Batman V Superman is a piece of shite and why Wonder Woman is great and competent: their respected bathtub scenes.

So here's the one from BvS: LINK. All Lois and Clark talk about is Superman being blamed for the deaths and Superman saving her. Not only that, but he goes in there with the groceries, which I see no reason why anyone would do that, and then enters the tub with his clothes on, which I can't see anyone doing except if someone was drowning. I was going to add why he would go to the bathroom first, but then it's Superman who has X-Ray vision so I'll let that slide.

Was that supposed to be a touching scene? No it wasn't and I'll tell you what it's only purpose was: to get the audience sexually engaged. Lois is naked for the dudes and lesbians and Clark becomes shirtless for the girls and gays. That is something straight out the Michael Bay playbook. There is nothing at all of substance here, and any director halfway worth a shite would not have had that scene play out in a bathtub. It reminds me of that scene when Padme was in a dominatrix outfit in Attack of the Clones.

Now let's compare this to the Wonder Woman bathtub scene. It's funny, it serves a purpose, we learn more about both of their characters, there's a reason for it to be sexually tense, it's awkward, and it's silly in a good way and not just where Clark runs into the bathtub with his clothes on like a rapist would. It makes sense why that scene would take place take place in a bathtub and its creative. You also can't remove it and make the relationship as meaningful. This is the microcosm on why one sucks and one is great.

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It really is so simple to understand. I mean scenes like that are noticed very little at all but yet do more to convey worlds of differences between movies than major points of controversy like the casualty count and massive property damage Man of Steel and what Wonder Woman had or lack thereof.

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I don't buy genre as an excuse for shitty filmmaking. You hear this about completely unpassable shite in movies aimed at kids, but yet Disney and Pixar give us incredibly smart movies that get better as you age.

I'm not moving an inch. We deserve good and competent filmmaking in all genres. shite like BvS or the upcoming Emoji Movie should be incredibly bashed and not have a place in cinema.

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People who go like it's just a comic book movie or X movie are usually just looking for a cop out instead of having to defend something they want to defend but really don't want to take the L on.

Terrific movie though I was bummed no end credits scene. I was kinda surprised they alluded to Steve and Diana having sex, but the hints were there from the beginning. Also, Chris pine did an excellent job.