re: Wokeness in movies/TV. How does it affect your viewing experience?

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But no issues when black people
In shows are called that.

You really ignore the racists till they’re at your door.

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I’m grown and have the ability to filter the things I don’t like in a manner that still allows me to enjoy a story.

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I enjoy takes like this because I once held the same thought because I felt it sounded high brow and made me better than people who would be bothered by that trivial stuff.

Then I actually thought about it for half a second and realized I was being made a fool of by these creators.

Look...if you agree with what they are doing then in makes perfect sense you'd support it financially. I find no fault in that at all and am really not talking to you. I disagree, but it makes sense.

But if you don't, what are you doing? Is it just entertainment where you'll support someone that openly tells you they hate you? Would you shop at a locally owned store where the owner screams at you when you walk in and calls you a fricking a-hole the whole time you walk around the store adding items to your buggy, then yells at you some more when you go to pay and then laughs at you as you walk out for paying him to do it?

Again...if you agree with what they are doing then you're on the same team so they're not talking to you that way so it tracks that you'd be ok funding all of that. But how strong is your addiction to various entertainment properties that you'd say you disagree with these things and STILL fund them while they laugh at you for being unable to walk away from them?

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I’ll bail on just about any tv show or film with blatant wokeness.

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Agree. If it's preachy it's annoying and not entertaining.

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And then you get to the absurd with black elves or black Vikings. This is akin to a period piece with a black Queen Elizabeth….or a Zulu redo with white Zulu warriors. It’s just dumb pandering and disruptive to the immersion .

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Agree.

Having Riggs be white and Murtaugh be black worked just fine. Their relationship was fully believable and the characters didn't look out of place in LA.

The black dude in Robin Hood was absurd. Which is why the Men In Tights parody had Blinken.

Female action heroes have always worked - Wonder Woman, Sarah Conner, Sydney Bristow, Charlie's Angels. You literally don't need anything more than competent writers.

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LOL at using Blazing Saddles as an example of “non-woke” film making

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It's not, the film is certainly a critique of racism, but it's not "woke"

1. The white characters of Rock Ridge are able to redeem themselves in a manner that's primarily shown through their actions. This means they didn't break a pseudo 4th wall to have some discussion about race relations that randomly breaks into the plot or seem out of place for the universe they created.

2. The film doesn't go the route of White = Evil/inherently racist, or "Once a Racist = Always a Racist" (where the best you can hope to do is come to grips with your inner racism). There are two types of racists depicted: Those who are racist as part of their evil character (Hedley Lamarr, Taggert) and , and those who begin the movie racist because of general ignorance - but grow throughout (The citizens of Rock Ridge). Jim, other than being confused at the start of why Bart is black while he's in a drunken stupor, isn't racist to begin with.

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It's not, the film is certainly a critique of racism, but it's not "woke"

1. The white characters of Rock Ridge are able to redeem themselves in a manner that's primarily shown through their actions. This means they didn't break a pseudo 4th wall to have some discussion about race relations that randomly breaks into the plot or seem out of place for the universe they created.

2. The film doesn't go the route of White = Evil/inherently racist, or "Once a Racist = Always a Racist" (where the best you can hope to do is come to grips with your inner racism). There are two types of racists depicted: Those who are racist as part of their evil character (Hedley Lamarr, Taggert) and , and those who begin the movie racist because of general ignorance - but grow throughout (The citizens of Rock Ridge). Jim, other than being confused at the start of why Bart is black while he's in a drunken stupor, isn't racist to begin with.

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All of this.

Plus, regardless of the intent of the language used, you'd have everyone involved thrashed in all forms of media for saying naughty words not allowed to certain segments of society. All that would matter is the DAMAGE merely hearing the words uttered will have done to the soft ears of the various activists and not the intent of why they were said.

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I think you could say Blazing Saddles, Sanford and Son, The Jeffersons, etc we’re the OG “woke” productions

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Covering racism in an amusing way, while not being preachy. . .that ain't woke.

That is just good writing.

Racial issues can be covered without falling into dialectic bullshite.

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I don’t know. I think you could say Blazing Saddles, Sanford and Son, The Jeffersons, etc we’re the OG “woke” productions that openly shined a light at racism and did it in a way that you laughed at it.

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I see what you're saying though I wouldn't call any of that "woke." They were all DEFINITELY on The Left politically. Anyone that watched All in the Family and mistook Archie as the hero and not Michael/Meathead missed the entire point. Carroll O'Conner was a big Lefty and him playing Archie was like Alec Baldwin playing Jack Donoghue on 30 Rock. They both played them so well that you often times forgot they were usually meant as the butt of the joke. But they were lampooning "regular Joe" with Archie and Edith was the older generation being open minded and getting it where as Archie never would.

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The new woke is searching for racism where it doesn’t exist and seeing it in everything….plus forcing diversity into stories for no other reason than to show your “woke” credentials and claim diversity.

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This plus tons of other things which I think is a big difference and why they are really different at heart.

I grew up watching those shows in the rural south and didn’t have a racist bone in my body. People were people and your color didn’t matter.

It took going to UGA and having activists yell at everyone about how we were all screwing over POC before I realized what a racist POS I was. That and getting less SAT scholarship money just because I checked the wrong box in my application.

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Yeah, I don't think most honest critics on The Right would call that woke. Sort of like most honest critics on The Right do not assume every female character is in a movie to fill a quota, or if they're strong in any way it's bad, etc

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I'll throw in Chapelle's Show wouldn't be considered woke, despite a good chunk of the skits being a racial commentary.

Similarly, the original A League of Their Own had a nearly all-female cast and a female director, and did just fine across every demographic, and that was 30 years ago.