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re: Why do Star Wars fans hate the prequels?
Posted on 2/26/13 at 9:47 am to Ace Midnight
Posted on 2/26/13 at 9:47 am to Ace Midnight
Alot if it I knew watching it for the first time as an adult, but I didn't realize how much sitting and talking and walking and talking was in the films. It's so fricking boring.
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Posted on 2/26/13 at 9:52 am to WhoDats10
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I will never understand the hate. I like the originals, but I love the prequels more. They are mo massie in scope, more characters and aliens, less plot holes, better effects and the story isnt black and white,. its more complex, i love how they incorporate all the politics of the galactic senate. return of the jedi isnt that great...
You must be young. I think which series you like depends on what you grew up with.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 9:52 am to DelU249
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Alot if it I knew watching it for the first time as an adult, but I didn't realize how much sitting and talking and walking and talking was in the films. It's so fricking boring.
I liked the comparison to Citizen Kane - which was all talking and establishment shots. Recalling THAT film, you realize, they change it up almost every time. Lots of 1 -shots of Kane, lots of group shots, with 3, 4, 5 people talking, the party scene with dialogue - and yes, this is a, perhaps THE cinematic masterpiece of the period, but I thought it was fair - you had 2 filmmakers with nearly total control.
The product reflects the effort and thought into telling the story - the problem with films like the Star Wars prequels, Transformers and the terrible, G-dawful J.J. Abrams 2009 Star Trek movie is that the storytelling seems to get in the way of the special effects and action sequences, rather than the special effects and action sequences being used as tools to tell the story.
The Star Wars prequels are almost the epitomy of that.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 9:58 am to Ace Midnight
I'm not a huge fan of the 2009 Star Trek. If I were a Trekkie i's be fricking offended actually, but I don't think it's a case of sfx being emphasized over story.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:17 am to DelU249
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I'm not a huge fan of the 2009 Star Trek. If I were a Trekkie i's be fricking offended actually, but I don't think it's a case of sfx being emphasized over story.
You want me to say it was better than the Star Wars prequels? It was better than the Star Wars prequels. It still didn't make any sense. None. And that defeats my ability to suspend belief.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:33 am to Ace Midnight
I did. No matter how much I don't like ST09, it at least succeeded in what it set out to do. I am still wondering what I'm getting with Abrams. I really like super 8 but then I watch his other stuff and it's pretty underwhelming. I also see what Disney did with John carter.
So basically my expectations for the next Star Wars is that it's going to be better than any of the prequels, but we'll still be disappointed we didn't get anything as good as empire or Star Wars, or Jedi for that matter.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:41 am to DelU249
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am still wondering what I'm getting with Abrams.
I'm not.
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So basically my expectations for the next Star Wars is that it's going to be better than any of the prequels, but we'll still be disappointed we didn't get anything as good as empire or Star Wars, or Jedi for that matter.
Yeah, there's a lot of room to fit between.
1. Empire
2. New Hope
3. Jedi
and
4. Sith
5. Phantom Menace
6. Clones
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:46 am to Ace Midnight
But I don't want that. I want something we're never going to get. For me it is a must that they hit in the range of the first 3, anything else just further degrades the brand and the impact of the original trilogy.
And there really isn't alot of room to fit in this range. For me you can just narrow down the range to the space you have between Jedi and sith.
And there really isn't alot of room to fit in this range. For me you can just narrow down the range to the space you have between Jedi and sith.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:51 am to DelU249
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And there really isn't alot of room to fit in this range. For me you can just narrow down the range to the space you have between Jedi and sith.
I just don't have any expectations with Abrams at the helm. Obviously, you're familiar with my refusal to drink the Kool-aid on Star Trek, or other Abrams projects. However, as I've said before, there is little damage that can be done to the franchise.
Because expectations will be low, I suspect he will hit between Jedi and Sith - for me, that will still be a failure, because Jedi itself was something of a let down (although it was still Star Wars and a decent wrap-up). The Abrams' fanboys and Disney hacks will make sure the next film is talked up - I'm sure they will plan on making 3 or 4 - and people who are likely to dissent - people like me - will be marginalized as outliers - as I was after Star Trek.
Still won't make it any better of a movie, but it will likely be better than the prequels. How could it NOT be better than the prequels?
This post was edited on 2/26/13 at 10:52 am
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:56 am to Ace Midnight
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Because expectations will be low, I suspect he will hit between Jedi and Sith - for me, that will still be a failure
Bingo. The problem with brand names is no one tries to do anything great with them. It's play it safe schlock. I'd rather they get someone who will take some kind of risk and fail then sit through one more less than excellent Star Wars movie. shite. I'm recovering from my marathon. I'm popping in empire
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:57 am to DelU249
I am disappoint in you Fox, ST09 was great Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:03 am to WicKed WayZ
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I am disappoint in you Fox, ST09 was great
He got me to say it was better than the Star Wars prequels - if that isn't advocating for the movie, I don't know what is.
After watching the Plinkett stuff on the prequels last night, I made the same backhanded comment about ST09 to Mrs. Midnight - "Bad as it is, it is better than the prequels."
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:07 am to WicKed WayZ
Sorry man 
I just don't think he tried to do anything great with it. Tyler perry is in the fricking thing. Kirk goes from enlisted to starship captain in 3 years and when you're starting out, time travel, paradoxes, etc...aren't really a good first step. Why was Leonard Nimoy in this movie? I know why, it just has nothing to do with making a good movie
I think it's ok, but personally don't like it because they just tried to repackage something to appeal to a wider audience. It's kind of like what they started doing with Zelda.
Very true, but to be fair I would defend alot of films in a Star Wars prequel thread.
I just don't think he tried to do anything great with it. Tyler perry is in the fricking thing. Kirk goes from enlisted to starship captain in 3 years and when you're starting out, time travel, paradoxes, etc...aren't really a good first step. Why was Leonard Nimoy in this movie? I know why, it just has nothing to do with making a good movie I think it's ok, but personally don't like it because they just tried to repackage something to appeal to a wider audience. It's kind of like what they started doing with Zelda.
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He got me to say it was better than the Star Wars prequels - if that isn't advocating for the movie, I don't know what is.
Very true, but to be fair I would defend alot of films in a Star Wars prequel thread.
This post was edited on 2/26/13 at 11:09 am
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:10 am to DelU249
That was all over the place, you go from Tyler Perry to fricking Zelda but I hear you I guess that's why I liked it, it was the first Star Trek movie I've seen
but I hear you I guess that's why I liked it, it was the first Star Trek movie I've seen Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:13 am to DelU249
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I just don't think he tried to do anything great with it.
AND, none of it made any sense. None of it.
Origin of stories, first use of phrase stories, one-note joke characters, plastic and uninteresting characters, unlikeable characters. I hate to say it, but it was a "fish out of water" plot where the "fish" was Star Trek:TOS. Even sadder, I think Abrams did try, but he's just not a fan of Star Trek. He shouldn't have been hired to do it - imagine if Whedon had hit it big with Avengers first, and HE had gotten to helm the reboot Star Trek?
Abrams will probably do a halfway decent job with Star Wars (despite my not liking anything he has ever done, ever... ever), because he is a fan of that. However, there is a real danger he will draw the wrong lessons from the prequels and just make it wall-to-wall, incomprehensible, visually fatiguing action sequences and lens flares. He certainly didn't waste any film in ST09 developing any of the characters except to make Kirk the single most unlikeable protagonist in SciFi history. Certainly no characters I care about.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:19 am to Ace Midnight
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but he's just not a fan of Star Trek
Watched four seasons of fringe in a month. Sad to tell you he is very much a fan. He constantly rips off ST and the show that I love and cannot mention.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:21 am to DelU249
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Watched four seasons of fringe in a month. Sad to tell you he is very much a fan. He constantly rips off ST and the show that I love and cannot mention.
I apologize for taking him at his word.
J.J. Abrams - I've never been a fan of Star Trek
I stand by my analysis.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:25 am to Ace Midnight
Then at the least he has watched a shite ton of it.
how do you direct Star Trek when you don't have any kind of reverence for the franchise? My expectations for Star Wars are sinking into the prequel range
how do you direct Star Trek when you don't have any kind of reverence for the franchise? My expectations for Star Wars are sinking into the prequel rangePosted on 2/26/13 at 11:27 am to DelU249
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My expectations for Star Wars are sinking into the prequel range
But that's a difference, I can't find the quote right now, but he HAS said he's a fan of Star Wars.
Will that make a difference? Maybe.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:39 am to Ace Midnight
Yeah, but I'm watching the original right now (cannot find empire nooooooooo!) and anything other than the junky future look is unacceptable. I'd rather he just completely copy the style of the originals but create something new. Instead, I'm going to get cutting edge cgi and lens flares
This post was edited on 2/26/13 at 11:41 am
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