re: Who the hell is Snoke? (Spoils)

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Sidious had no backstory in the originals and no one blinked twice. Stop being babies.

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If Snoke had been well written no one would be complaining. People don't complain about a great story, they complain about shitty ones

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I see what you're saying I just think they are basically the same character. One just dies in the second film.


Snoke has the misfortune of being around in the day and age of the internet where people can analyze and come up with theorys as to who he is and what is his purpose
Share them. Feed of each other. It was just as basic as kill luke and conquer the galaxy.

He also has to deal with expectation. " The emperor did this and that to rise to power, snoke has fo have a crazy back story." Sure they may have been that to some extent back in the 70's and 80's but nothing like today.

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I agree with you on most of this. The problem is having the established universe versus not when it comes to rise of power.

When the Emperor was first introduced, it was just a fact that he is the big bad. Didn't matter how he got there until after his story was told and people wanted to delve more and created the extended universe. Dropping characters into that universe needs explanation and a way to establish them. You don't say, "well this guy has just appeared and rules the galaxy now" without explaining some of it. had they rolled in some throwaway dialog as to how the First Order and Snoke just came to be, five minutes of dialog, most of this is forgiven.

The best thing they could have done would have been make Snoke a force sensitive Admiral in the Empire fleet that had his destroyer blown up and he survived like Leia did. When the power vacuum screamed, he fills the void as the big bad and has the power to reestablish the empire under new leadership and 30 years to grow his strength. Or make him the commander in charge of searching for Sith relics for the Emperor and he became consumed with them himself.

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this isn't true at all. If you walked in the theater and gave everyone 100 dollars, someone would complain about it somehow. People bitch and want other people to hear it.

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CFB fans will complain about whether they win a NC in a thrilling game or don't show up ready to play and get whipped by their rival team.

In both scenarios, people will complain. Which one will have the most complainers and which one would the complaining fans have more legitimate complaints?

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How do you have a character clearly with the same force level as Sidious and Yoda a massive enfatuation with finding Luke and who essentially reinvented the Empire... And then not even tell anything about him before killing him off?

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Because story telling and structure isn’t a part of this movie. It’s fabricating examples for real world points.

Expect pretty much anyone to be able to pull off shite that all time greats struggled with after years of training and experience that was at times shortened by having a unique bloodline.

By now, the kid is probably chilling in a treehouse he levitates with the Force.

Snoke thought he was what connected Rey and Ren but he wasn't.



Kylo Ren is the supreme leader of the first order now. That was the point of the seen with Hux, who later refers to him as that.

I could definitely be wrong but I think that’s the misdirection intended for the next movie.

Basically Han was right in TFA saying that snoke was using him for his power.

The line about seeing him turn the lightsaber is what really makes me think he’s still alive in Kylo. His own body is gone but he’s not.

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In fact after the last movie came out people were complaining about the possibility of Rai being related to the Skywalkers and how it would be bad writing if she were to just be coming from the same family. Now they go the other direction and there are complaints. Would you think anything is passable and not terrible? I think I get it though. The movie was kind of disappointing, and thus you need to criticize absolutely everything about it even inconsequential stuff that is perfectly fine.

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Well said. I’m glad Rey isn’t another assbaby Skywalker. This movie made it clear that the Force exists outside of trained jedis and outside of specific bloodlines. Hence the stable boy at the end.

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I havent checked to see if anybody mentioned this but I have a snoke theory after seeing the movie a second time and paying closer attention.

I don’t think he’s actually dead. In the throne room scene, he tells Rey he can read kylos mind and he was the one that connect them through the force. When he turn her toward kylo he says something to the effect of “I see him turning the lightsaber toward his true enemy.” Kylo never turns his own saber. Snoke lets Kylo kill him to get stronger.

After the fight over Luke’s saber, Hux says “the supreme leader is dead.” Kylo then chokes him with ridiculous power and questions him saying “the supreme leader is dead?”

At the end of the movie kylo and Rey are still connected through the force. My conclusion is that snoke is using Kylo as a host and he’s still alive.

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Would be cool, but sounds like the "Snoke is Plageius" theories. Would make for a good story, but don't get your hopes up.

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This movie made it clear that the Force exists outside of trained jedis and outside of specific bloodlines. Hence the stable boy at the end.

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That....that was always the case.

No one said otherwise.

That doesn't mean everyone under the sun can somehow do shite the best of Jedi couldn't.

Consider this: In all of the film history, Yoda was regarded as having one of the highest raw power of all Jedi, only toppled by Anakin Skywalker, and only that because he is literally born of the Force.

Now you Have Rey, someone of no special bloodline and essentially no training, somehow exceeding the feats of those.

Tasks that they struggled with, she can do easily.

Please.