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re: White Lotus S3 Discussion (spoilers)
Posted on 4/8/25 at 11:39 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Posted on 4/8/25 at 11:39 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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I mean why the hell are 3 russians in Thailand anyway.
Apparently Russians have been flooding Thailand since the war. My Thai cousin was bitching about it on her last visit back for business.
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The war in Ukraine has entailed an incalculable human toll, while roiling markets, disrupting supply chains, and sending inflation soaring across the globe. But in Thailand, the two-year-old conflict is also having a profound social effect despite being over 4,000 miles away. While many Western nations have shut out Russian air travel in response to Vladimir Putin’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, Thailand sees Russian arrivals as key to reviving its pandemic-ravaged tourism industry. In October, Thai Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin extended 90-day visas upon arrival for Russian passports, insisting in a February interview: “We’re not part of the [Ukraine] conflict. We are neutral.”
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In the first three months of this year, 366,095 Russians arrived at Phuket International Airport, almost double the same period of 2023 and transforming the island’s commercial and social life. (That figure doesn’t include the significant number who transferred via Thailand’s main gateway of Suvarnabhumi International Airport in Bangkok.) But while a boon for the macro economy, the influx has chafed with locals who increasingly complain that Russians are stealing jobs and upsetting cultural mores. Across Thailand, lurid headlines such as “Rabid Russian assaults police team in Phuket after going berserk at a city centre hotel” and “Russian tourist kicks pregnant Thai woman after asked to leave shoes outdoor” are both a symptom and cause of alarm. (However, transgressions involving New Zealand, Swiss, and Portuguese nationals admittedly proliferate also.)
“Russia and Thailand are so different and sometimes they don’t understand Thai law and culture,” Lieut. Colonel Akachai Siri, chief inspector of Phuket Tourist Police, tells TIME. “Sometimes they break the law and they don’t recognize we have law enforcement.”
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Posted on 4/8/25 at 11:42 am to Dire Wolf
Posted on 4/8/25 at 11:56 am to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:Except the one key difference that she had legit reason to fear for her physical safety in Thailand. The quick break with Pornchai was probably a much better route than bringing him in on the secret. Plus, she didn't completely foreclose on them teaming up in the future. She also didn't just forget him on a whim.
Its just hyprocritical of her. She is depressed because a rich woman told her she would give her money to start a business and then bailed on her on a whim because she met a guy. Now Belinda is bailing on Pornchai who she made the same aggreement with on a whim because she came into some money and no longer needs him. This money COULD have gotten their spa off the ground.
I don't think she is a bad person for going home with the money but she is defiitely not the honest and compassionate person she portrays herself to be. As soon as her situation was better, she bailed not really caring about anyone else.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 12:05 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Also is there some cultural difference where changing jobs in Thailand is considered financial and social status suicide? Mook and the head security guy both acted like picking a new career was a move Gaitok couldn't come back from
They are likely locals on Koh Samui where the only good paying employers are hotels catering to foreigners. There are only so many spots for non-tourist facing spots (unlike Hotel Manager who will likely come from English experience background) that pay "well" at all. Seniority is key.
These people aren't going to pick up and go to America. Leaving for Bangkok is also potentially not a choice as it's away from family. The only option will be another hotel.
Gaitok was known to the owners, so he had a channel to an even better job outside of the hotel than he would have anywhere else.
This post was edited on 4/8/25 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 4/8/25 at 12:25 pm to Dr Jan itor
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god damnit if Taylor Sheridan made season 3 of this show
U cant tell me you hands wouldn't have bitched and complained all season
If Taylor Sheridan made season 3 the characters would all be surface level with no nuance, the acting would have been over dramatized and cheesy, and it would have taken place in Montana.
This post was edited on 4/8/25 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 4/8/25 at 12:26 pm to RLDSC FAN
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White is known to be outspoken when it comes to his critics. He appeared on the official “White Lotus” podcast after the Season 3 finale aired and told off viewers who complained the new episodes were too slow and boring.
“I’m world-building,” White said. “If you don’t want to go to bed with me then get out of my bed. I’m edging you! Enjoy the edging. If you don’t want to be edged, then get out of my bed. Do you know what I mean? Don’t be a bossy bottom. Get the frick out of my bed. Don’t come home with me. Don’t get naked in my bed. Get the frick out of my bed. Obviously something is going to happen.”
White noted on “The Howard Stern Show” that he is “renegotiating” his contract right now ahead of Season 4.
Wow. What an awesome, stable individual. You guys enjoy his next outing. I think that's it for me.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 12:30 pm to JPLSU1981
I love the White Lotus. I love what Mike White has created with the series and it has all been done brilliantly. I love how he explores the complicated relationship between the wealthy and working class and how both attempt to run from their problems in unique ways but ultimately can't.
That being said, this season really just didn't hit for me. I can respect it for what it is, and it was entertaining. But there were so many unsatisfying endings to the plot lines for me.
What was the point of building up all of the tension between the girl friend group only for Carrie Coon to come to the conclusion of "yeah im a loser but you guys arent and im just happy to be part of the group"? She really progressed through her arc that she didn't actually like these girls, they weren't actually her friends, just for her to come sulking back to them.
What was the point of building up the robbery plot all season long, just for it to not matter whatsoever in the end? I like how Gaitok's arc took him through the progression of coming to terms with what he needed to do if he wanted Mook and to succeed and foiling the russians would've been the natural point to complete that arc.
Tim Ratliff was a great character for 2 episodes, then spent the next 5 saying nothing and popping pills, then doesn't face the consequences of his actions? Having Lochy actually pass away would be a perfect tragedy for his story, you kill the one child you wanted to spare as a result of your actions? Would have been such a fitting result. Then you build up this boiling point of the financial crimes coming to light all season, just for the reveal to take place in a millisecond and really show no reaction from the family at all? Just really unsatisfying.
The twist about that actually being Rick's dad was so painfully obvious. Maybe expectation was built up too high after the masterpieces of seasons 1 and 2? Not sure, probably a me problem. The fan theories were more interesting than what actually took place. Mook being involved with the russians, the hotel manager being involved with greg, chloe being involved with the russians, so much potential.
It just fell flat for me. I thought it was entertaining, had some great set pieces, and it's patented tension building.
That being said, this season really just didn't hit for me. I can respect it for what it is, and it was entertaining. But there were so many unsatisfying endings to the plot lines for me.
What was the point of building up all of the tension between the girl friend group only for Carrie Coon to come to the conclusion of "yeah im a loser but you guys arent and im just happy to be part of the group"? She really progressed through her arc that she didn't actually like these girls, they weren't actually her friends, just for her to come sulking back to them.
What was the point of building up the robbery plot all season long, just for it to not matter whatsoever in the end? I like how Gaitok's arc took him through the progression of coming to terms with what he needed to do if he wanted Mook and to succeed and foiling the russians would've been the natural point to complete that arc.
Tim Ratliff was a great character for 2 episodes, then spent the next 5 saying nothing and popping pills, then doesn't face the consequences of his actions? Having Lochy actually pass away would be a perfect tragedy for his story, you kill the one child you wanted to spare as a result of your actions? Would have been such a fitting result. Then you build up this boiling point of the financial crimes coming to light all season, just for the reveal to take place in a millisecond and really show no reaction from the family at all? Just really unsatisfying.
The twist about that actually being Rick's dad was so painfully obvious. Maybe expectation was built up too high after the masterpieces of seasons 1 and 2? Not sure, probably a me problem. The fan theories were more interesting than what actually took place. Mook being involved with the russians, the hotel manager being involved with greg, chloe being involved with the russians, so much potential.
It just fell flat for me. I thought it was entertaining, had some great set pieces, and it's patented tension building.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 12:37 pm to AD23
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What was the point of building up all of the tension between the girl friend group only for Carrie Coon to come to the conclusion of "yeah im a loser but you guys arent and im just happy to be part of the group"? She really progressed through her arc that she didn't actually like these girls, they weren't actually her friends, just for her to come sulking back to them.
I disagree. I think she slowly realized that her resentment towards the others had more to do with her resentment of how her life turned out and jealousy that the other two's lives seemed to be more appealing.
It really showed the rawness of friendship dynamics. I would say that 95% of people can relate to at least one of those women. They can point to someone they are or were good friends with and have a smidge of jealousy with the difference in their lives. Whether its a friend that never settled down and is out still living the high life while you fold laundry as your kids get ready for bed or someone who sees a loving "perfect" family and wishes they had that instead of spending all their timeand effort on their career.
I agree with your other gripes though.
This post was edited on 4/8/25 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 4/8/25 at 12:40 pm to AD23
It's so interesting to me how divisive this season is....
It's more popular than its ever been. I don't really follow entertainment world and female social media, but my wife says that it's just been ubiquiitous in her feed of people having watch parties, creating memes, etc..
So this season really resonated with some people, and I'm not sure why. Is it where we're at as a culture? Is it some inherent quality within the writing of this season? Did it just reach buzzy critical mass?
And we've followed all 3 season as they aired, but this one definitely seemed to catch society's imagination in away that past seasons haven't.
That being said, I found the ending unsatisfying... and that's after really enjoying the season as a whole.
It's more popular than its ever been. I don't really follow entertainment world and female social media, but my wife says that it's just been ubiquiitous in her feed of people having watch parties, creating memes, etc..
So this season really resonated with some people, and I'm not sure why. Is it where we're at as a culture? Is it some inherent quality within the writing of this season? Did it just reach buzzy critical mass?
And we've followed all 3 season as they aired, but this one definitely seemed to catch society's imagination in away that past seasons haven't.
That being said, I found the ending unsatisfying... and that's after really enjoying the season as a whole.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 12:41 pm to schatman
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Wow. What an awesome, stable individual. You guys enjoy his next outing. I think that's it for me.
Look Mike White wants to frick you good, he wants to frick you right. If you don't want to be fricked then why are you even in the frick chair to begin with?
This post was edited on 4/8/25 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 4/8/25 at 12:44 pm to AD23
quote:I think you missed the point completely and the cougar plotline was ultimately the most satisfying. The women were and are best friends from the old days. This does not preclude jealousies and other built-up resentments from surfacing over the years (you know, since they are human). Their friendships were strong enough to endure this test - and likely led to some breakthroughs for Carrie Coon's character.
What was the point of building up all of the tension between the girl friend group only for Carrie Coon to come to the conclusion of "yeah im a loser but you guys arent and im just happy to be part of the group"? She really progressed through her arc that she didn't actually like these girls, they weren't actually her friends, just for her to come sulking back to them.
quote:Gaitok opted for his own career over just turning them in. He was already a hero in the owner's eyes - why create any more connection between him and the incident that tarred him in the first place?
What was the point of building up the robbery plot all season long, just for it to not matter whatsoever in the end? I like how Gaitok's arc took him through the progression of coming to terms with what he needed to do if he wanted Mook and to succeed and foiling the russians would've been the natural point to complete that arc.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 12:48 pm to hogfly
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It's so interesting to me how divisive this season is....
It's more popular than its ever been. I don't really follow entertainment world and female social media, but my wife says that it's just been ubiquiitous in her feed of people having watch parties, creating memes, etc..
Ratings have gone up every week. Audiences are enjoying it. This board might be the minority
Posted on 4/8/25 at 12:53 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Ratings have gone up every week. Audiences are enjoying it. This board might be the minority
I think nuance that leads to differring opinions is why viewership is so high. You can't discuss your opinions with others if you aren't up to date. So its not that everyone LOVED it as much as everyone was hooked by the social aspect of the show. This happens every so often like it did with GOT, True detective, and trash like the Tiger King.
I do think they struggled to land the plane in S3 but I think the ride along the way was as good as other seasons. I think letting Lochlan stay dead would have changed many opinions. For some reason that part made it feel less satsifying as a viewer because the Dad/family more or less got off scott free. I realize the legal stuff is still looming but the dude low key tried to murder suicide the whole family.
Also with the murder suicide plot: Was Lochlan supposed to watch his whole family die, go back to NC to a tarnished name without any family or money and just live a happy life? I'm confused as to why the Dad thought that was a good plan? I get he was on drugs but that part almost felt more fricked up than killing everyone else.
"Lochlan, what happened to your family?"
"Bad Coconut milk I think?"
This post was edited on 4/8/25 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 4/8/25 at 12:58 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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I think letting Lochlan stay dead would have changed many opinions. For some reason that part made it feel less satsifying as a viewer because the Dad/family more or less got off scott free.
Completely agree. I said that in my initial review of the episode. I was disappointed when he survived.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 12:58 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
I think the only reason Lochlan was "spared" in the dad's mind is that he's the only one that didn't seem to be enslaved by their materialistic lifestyle and seemed to be "pure."
It doesn't make sense, obviously, but I think it's also hard to overstate the level of neurosis and delusion they were trying to write into Dad's character due to the benzo abuse.
As to the popularity of the show... I also think that Walton Goggins is having a major moment, so the "star power" was maybe higher than it's ever been, especially with Parker Posey also on board. And her character really resonated with audiences (when we were on vacation with our two sons in Oaxaca over spring break, my wife kept saying, "Jesus.. do I sound like Parker Posey's character? I feel like her right now."
It doesn't make sense, obviously, but I think it's also hard to overstate the level of neurosis and delusion they were trying to write into Dad's character due to the benzo abuse.
As to the popularity of the show... I also think that Walton Goggins is having a major moment, so the "star power" was maybe higher than it's ever been, especially with Parker Posey also on board. And her character really resonated with audiences (when we were on vacation with our two sons in Oaxaca over spring break, my wife kept saying, "Jesus.. do I sound like Parker Posey's character? I feel like her right now."
This post was edited on 4/8/25 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 4/8/25 at 1:01 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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I think she slowly realized that her resentment towards the others had more to do with her resentment of how her life turned out and jealousy that the other two's lives seemed to be more appealing.
I agree, the culmination of her monologue was i have lost at life, i have lost at love, i have lost at parenting, I cannot let my friendships be a loss as well. And it was well said and well delivered by Carrie, it just didn't hit for me.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 1:13 pm to AD23
Posted on 4/8/25 at 1:55 pm to RLDSC FAN
They should bring back Victoria at some point. She could be with a new rich husband that she found after divorcing Tim because he goes to jail.
They just got to bring her back.
They just got to bring her back.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 1:57 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Im hoping this is the end of Belinda and Gary being in the show but they bring the Parker Posey character back in the next season some way
Posted on 4/8/25 at 2:36 pm to JPLSU1981
I have liked all 3 seasons. It hit me how old I’m getting when you realize Rick’s dad & the husband of the Hotel owner(Scott Glenn) is the same guy who was the villain in Urban Cowboy.
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