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re: Westworld SE1 EP6: The Adversary

Posted on 11/7/16 at 2:50 pm to
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
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Posted on 11/7/16 at 2:50 pm to
He's playing Bernard like a fiddle.
Posted by Josh Fenderman
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Posted on 11/7/16 at 3:21 pm to
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I really think the conflict will ultimately be between Ford (God) and Arnold (Satan). Remember, according to the Bible, God created and wanted people to be ignorant of the world (Ford's desires for the hosts) while the devil gave people knowledge of good and evil (Arnold's desire to give the hosts consciousness).

I posted about this a couple weeks ago after the scene with Bernard and Delores as an allusion to the Serpent tempting Eve in the Garden of Eden. Pretty clear references in that episode, especially with the hosts not being ashamed at being naked and Ford stating this.

Someone responded about Satan (Bernard) being created by God (Ford)
This post was edited on 11/7/16 at 3:23 pm
Posted by poe tay toes
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Posted on 11/7/16 at 4:39 pm to
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Well, Ford could have changed those stats for his new narrative as well (or Arnold). Hard to say at this point.


might be kind of out there, but i was considering the possibility that thandie's altered stat values (paranoia and something?) might have been a consequence of her awareness. the tech guys jumped to the conclusion that it was someone else tweaking the values in the system, but maybe what was done to her just allows her to remember/resist wipes and her personality is changing through experience. the altered values only reflect the changes that occurred "naturally".
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 11/7/16 at 5:18 pm to
Sansa stark easter egg???


Posted by TennesseeFan25
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Posted on 11/7/16 at 5:20 pm to
Resemblance sure, not that much so though
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 11/7/16 at 5:26 pm to
I mean the facces on the wall is also a GOT throwback
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 11/7/16 at 5:29 pm to
I immediately thought it was Sansa as well
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 11/7/16 at 6:13 pm to
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I mean the facces on the wall is also a GOT throwback


Clearly, but that ain't Sansa.
Posted by Gugich22
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Posted on 11/7/16 at 6:39 pm to
Looks more like Delores than Sansa
Posted by iluvdatiger
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Posted on 11/7/16 at 7:52 pm to
I think the drawing in the book Ford flipped through was delores.

Ford must have promised Bernard a reincarnation of his son. I don't think Bernard is a robot, just seems more like a blackmail type of thing. But it's awfully convenient Ford showed up and saved him from the beat down. Also, if the system told Barnard there were 5 anomolies in that area, who was the the 5th? The dog?
This post was edited on 11/7/16 at 7:53 pm
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 11/7/16 at 7:54 pm to
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who was the the 5th? The dog?


Yes
Posted by Piece
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Posted on 11/7/16 at 8:03 pm to
I just figured Ford has some kind of alarm that is triggered when someone is in that sector of the park since he has 5 hosts there that aren't suppose to exist and only respond to him.
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 11/7/16 at 9:54 pm to
Just an FYI, last night's episode proved William is not MIB and for the most part that a multiple year timeline doesn't exist.

William and the MIB have both been seen in scenes and situations that had Maeve as the head of the whorehouse. The guys working with maeve confirmed she had only been in that role for a year and a half or so.

So therefore, it would be impossible for the MIB and William story arcs to be any more apart than her stay in that role.
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 11/7/16 at 10:06 pm to
Good catch
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 11/7/16 at 10:18 pm to
For some reason I'm starting to have doubts that Maeve and MIB have had interactions lol.

I feel like they have, but now that I'm thinking about it, I can't remember any

So I definitely could still be wrong
Posted by DMagic
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Posted on 11/7/16 at 10:23 pm to
Maeve in her reverie about the Indian attack flashed to the MIB at the end with his knife out
Posted by PowerTool
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Posted on 11/7/16 at 10:26 pm to
Which we now know could have been fairly recent, and not 30 years ago or whatever.
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 11/7/16 at 10:29 pm to
I asked the subreddit and my suspicion has turned out false.



Clementine is the head of the whorehouse when Logan and William arrive and always next to her is another black chick, but not Maeve.

Posted by DMagic
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Posted on 11/7/16 at 10:30 pm to
Correct and I agree the multiple timeline theory is completely shot at this point just pointing out the interaction
Posted by DMagic
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Posted on 11/7/16 at 10:33 pm to
Yep iirc she had been repurposed because Maeve had been flagged for evaluation after she stopped being able to seal the deal with the guests
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