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Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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yeah there have been 2 hector shootouts. i seriously doubt they were at the same time especially since one had to be moved up a week
The first shootout happened before William and Logan arrived. I don't see what this has to do with anything. Also, I don't remember snake lady being there for the first one.
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you don't think the hosts have pictures or other artifacts in their existence to reinforce their memories?
if you were creating a false reality/consciousness, creating those artifacts is exactly what you'd do
The only pictures I have seen in WestWorld are the wanted posters and those weren't photographs.
Are you officially in the Ford is a robot camp?
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 10:58 am
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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what scene has Delores, William, and Wyatt? serious question (i'm going to re-watch to look for this exatly)
None, Wyatt hasn't appeared.
HOWEVER, when Teddy is taken by the female host to go hunt for Wyatt, Dolores is there. The next night (when Teddy is not at her house) is when she escapes and finds William. We know these are one after the other because in the previous scene with Dolores, Teddy, and some nameless guest with evil hosts, Teddy defends her. Those same hosts return that night, while Teddy is gone. Therefore, we know:
- Teddy is in town that day with Dolores. He is with that same female guest. She goes into the brothel to do some carpet cleaning. Teddy goes outside to defend Dolores from evil guest #1.
- Wyatt is mentioned in the scene with Dolores and Teddy meeting the female guest again. Teddy says good bye.
- Dolores goes to her house, and defeats the hosts with Evil guest #1.
- Dolores runs. Finds William.
That doesn't address my main point though on the climax of finding the end of the maze.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:02 am to guedeaux
Snake lady was there for the first one.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:02 am to Puck82
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There is one story line but different time frames. They may only be separated by days or weeks, but the time frames are different with the two in park stories we are currently seeing.
No, they must be more or less simultaneous/continuous, otherwise you have the 'finding the end of the maze and nothing happens' problem for either Dolores or MiB. If in any frame currently shown, the MiB or Dolores had found the end of the maze, and nothing changed, then what was the point of the maze in the first place as a plot point?
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:03 am to cokebottleag
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- Teddy is in town that day with Dolores. He is with that same female guest. She goes into the brothel to do some carpet cleaning. Teddy goes outside to defend Dolores from evil guest #1.
- Wyatt is mentioned in the scene with Dolores and Teddy meeting the female guest again. Teddy says good bye.
- Dolores goes to her house, and defeats the hosts with Evil guest #1.
- Dolores runs. Finds William.
That doesn't address my main point though on the climax of finding the end of the maze.
Thank you for this. I was trying to find a solid way to connect the two, and the pussy guest was definitely in town and then at Dolores' house after Teddy went to find Wyatt. Next, MiB finds fricked up Teddy. Proof that it is all happening concurrently.
Looks like MiB will make it too Pariah next episode, so maybe we see Logan and him in the same scene.
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Snake lady was there for the first one.
Kind of another hole in their story since MiB claims to have never met her, but he is familiar with Hector.This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 11:05 am
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:04 am to cokebottleag
Just because they were in sequence doesn't mean they happened sequentially in the park. Although I think they did. The reveries and similar behavior make it difficult.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:06 am to guedeaux
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Kind of another hole in their story since MiB claims to have never met her, but he is familiar with Hector.
She may just be a new host. After 30 years, he is unlikely to have missed anyone in the park. We know they cycle hosts through and add some/subtract some.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:08 am to cokebottleag
He talks about never getting involved in Hectors storyline when they're in jail together. THats why he never met the girl.
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 11:09 am
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:09 am to cokebottleag
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No, they must be more or less simultaneous/continuous, otherwise you have the 'finding the end of the maze and nothing happens' problem for either Dolores or MiB. If in any frame currently shown, the MiB or Dolores had found the end of the maze, and nothing changed, then what was the point of the maze in the first place as a plot point?
Just because there are two time frames right now doesn't mean that they can't meet at some point and join the same time frame. Lawrence can't be in two places at the same time. Like I said the time difference isn't years or decades but rather days or weeks.
ETA: On another note did anyone notice the question MIB asked about Wyatt? If this was Ford's way of stopping him from reaching the maze?
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 11:12 am
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:11 am to cokebottleag
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None, Wyatt hasn't appeared.
Not actually appeared but we did see an image of him within Teddy's "memory." Can't find a picture of him.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:13 am to guedeaux
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Also, I don't remember snake lady being there for the first one.
Snake lady was there for both shoot outs. Same loop where she lays a blanket full of rifles down and starts mowing down hosts.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:13 am to Puck82
quote:MiB was definitely mocking him. I'm not sure what the purpose of Wyatt is yet, if anything.
On another note did anyone notice the question MIB asked about Wyatt? If this was Ford's way of stopping him from reaching the maze?
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:14 am to ell_13
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Just because they were in sequence doesn't mean they happened sequentially in the park. Although I think they did. The reveries and similar behavior make it difficult.
True, but if they didn't, its the equivalent of trying to push this as an explanation for how the movement of the stars and sun could be consistent with Earth at the center of the solar system:
Again, the following cannot be explained by the differing timelines theories:
- Both Delores and MiB are looking for the maze.
- If the end of the maze is an actual MAJOR climax/world changing event, then for someone to find it will be an event with lasting implications. Otherwise, it is a terrible ending and this show will suck.
- Therefore, in neither the MiB storyline, or the Delores storyline, has the end of the maze been found.
- For the non-simultaneous theory of the two storylines to be true, that would mean either Delores or the MiB fails, independently, and their storyline just ends in nothingness.
- The above is not going to happen, for obvious reasons.
- Therefore, the only conclusion can be that both the MiB and Delores are hunting for the end of the maze, at the same time.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:20 am to cokebottleag
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Both Delores and MiB are looking for the maze.
Agree
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If the end of the maze is an actual MAJOR climax/world changing event, then for someone to find it will be an event with lasting implications. Otherwise, it is a terrible ending and this show will suck
Agree
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Therefore, in neither the MiB storyline, or the Delores storyline, has the end of the maze been found.
Agree
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For the non-simultaneous theory of the two storylines to be true, that would mean either Delores or the MiB fails, independently, and their storyline just ends in nothingness
Don't agree. There is still a chance of them meeting up. But I have a feeling if anyone is going to find the maze it is going to be "Dolores"
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The above is not going to happen, for obvious reasons.
Don't agree. Both don't have to reach their end goal for their story arc to matter.
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Therefore, the only conclusion can be that both the MiB and Delores are hunting for the end of the maze, at the same time.
I agree that they are hunting it in the same year/month/week. But their days aren't in sync right now.
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 11:22 am
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:21 am to cokebottleag
quote:I've already said that I don't think the spread between scenes is 35 years. But weeks is definitely still possible even with all you said. Which, btw, all you have is the maze. There's no indication yet that one is trying to get to it before the other. They are both just trying to get there. What if the MiB "getting there" is what sets off the hosts? Something had to trigger them somehow, right? Things have been working fine for 30 years.
Again, the following cannot be explained by the differing timelines theories:
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 11:22 am
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:29 am to ell_13
Anybody wanna talk about the hosts kicking the shite out of William''s brother in law? William gets hit a few times too. What would have happened if Dolaras wasn't there to shoot those confederate soldiers? They had William pinned up against the wall. What's gonna happen to bro in law now that he's kidnapped and William isn't coming back for him? He's gonna spend his expensive vacation time locked up in jail as a prisoner? Or will someone from the park come let him out and basically tell him to go back to the beginner levels?
I'm assuming the further you advance from Sweetwater the tougher the "game" gets and the more physical harm a host can do to you??? Would those Confederate soldiers rough up a woman guest just as bad? Or could it be that the hosts in this particular city are already broken (gone rouge off script)? It didn't seem like they acted with guests very often.
I'm assuming the further you advance from Sweetwater the tougher the "game" gets and the more physical harm a host can do to you??? Would those Confederate soldiers rough up a woman guest just as bad? Or could it be that the hosts in this particular city are already broken (gone rouge off script)? It didn't seem like they acted with guests very often.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:33 am to LSUGlory16
This was discussed. Guests who embark on certain storylines accept that there will be encounters like these. Getting hurt is part of the realism. I also mentioned that they gauge this during "orientation" to see what people are willing to do.
Also, I think William shot the soldier.
Also, I think William shot the soldier.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:33 am to LSUGlory16
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What's gonna happen to bro in law now that he's kidnapped and William isn't coming back for him? He's gonna spend his expensive vacation time locked up in jail as a prisoner? Or will someone from the park come let him out and basically tell him to go back to the beginner levels?
Guests were arrested during Hector's raid, and the control team were going to send in whores with hidden keys the next day. I assume something similar will happen with Logan.
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Or could it be that the hosts in this particular city are already broken (gone rouge off script)?
Doubtful.
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Also, I think William shot the soldier.
Dolores killed the 4 or 5 soldiers who had William pinned down.
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 11:35 am
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:36 am to guedeaux
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Also, I don't remember snake lady being there for the first one.
she was
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The first shootout happened before William and Logan arrived. I don't see what this has to do with anything
how much time has elapsed is, at the least, a few weeks
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Are you officially in the Ford is a robot camp?
no i'm saying that memories don't prove anything given the themes of this show
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