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re: Westworld S01E05 - "Contrapasso" Thread
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:03 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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i'm trying to pay attention to thequote:with William and the Wyatt storyline, as well as teh 2 Hector shootouts
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It is identical as is the employee who approves MiB explosions and sends someone to rescue Dolores when she is actually with William.
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Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:04 am to ell_13
I agree with the park and show villain may be different. Ford may end up being the true villain in the show, but he didn't call himself an antagonist (anti-hero) but the great villain.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:07 am to guedeaux
I don't know if MiB is in fact a villain. Remember the guy that thanked him for his foundation "saving" his sister?
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:09 am to Puck82
quote:Fair enough. I still stand by the point I made. I don't yet see him as the show's villain. And I don't think he's done horrible things even in the context of the park. "Innocent" hosts get killed all the time by guests, usually on a whim. MiB at least kills with purpose.
but he didn't call himself an antagonist (anti-hero) but the great villain.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:11 am to Napoleon
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I don't know if MiB is in fact a villain. Remember the guy that thanked him for his foundation "saving" his sister?
And he responded, "Say another word and I'll slit your throat. This is my fricking vacation." Slightly villainous haha
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Fair enough. I still stand by the point I made. I don't yet see him as the show's villain. And I don't think he's done horrible things even in the context of the park. "Innocent" hosts get killed all the time by guests, usually on a whim. MiB at least kills with purpose.
I agree that he is likely not the show's villain, but he is definitely in the park. The Maze is not meant for him, yet he wants it anyway. That is pretty much the definition of a villain.
I think the big reveal is going to be that Ford is the real world antagonist. Remember that the park is not just a vacation spot, it has much deeper implications to the real world about which we have no clue.
Slo, during your re-watch see if you can figure out the importance of the number of interactions Dolores has had between her and bernard's conversations. Bernard asks her about it at the beginning of one, and she says she has had like 135 interactions since their last conversation. Is that with humans or host or both? Is it a clue to the time differences?
Additionally, what is up with Dolores not wearing clothes when being interviewed by Ford but fully clothed and in a different area when being interviewed by Bernard?
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 10:18 am
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:13 am to SlowFlowPro
I get it that the Dolores scenes are chopped together at times, but that was clearly to give an idea of how the hosts are wiped often and don't have a real memory.
There is no evidence (none) for multiple storylines. There is a lot of evidence this is one long storyline with some days or times glossed over. You're all connecting dots that aren't there.
There is no evidence (none) for multiple storylines. There is a lot of evidence this is one long storyline with some days or times glossed over. You're all connecting dots that aren't there.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:17 am to guedeaux
That wouldn't be a very big reveal. I'd be disappointed if it was so simple.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:21 am to ell_13
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That wouldn't be a very big reveal. I'd be disappointed if it was so simple.
Depends on what it was. If it is global domination with robots, that would be fairly large. Apparently the hosts are all programmed to protect him, and he can control them with his mind.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:22 am to guedeaux
He's a robot built by Arnold as their god and he can control them over wifi. MiB is close to finding out this truth.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:25 am to ell_13
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He's a robot built by Arnold as their god and he can control them over wifi. MiB is close to finding out this truth.
We have seen him as a younger man in photo and flashback. Ford is one of only a few confirmed humans.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:28 am to guedeaux
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We have seen him as a younger man in photo and flashback
based around the themes of this show, that's somewhat irrelevant
a major theme of the show is based around false memories and dreams and how they trick us into feeling "real"
that's actually a reason why i'm starting to get behind the multiple story line angle, b/c the flashback is not a dream and it's real. but frick the reveal may be that the William storyline is a false dream and isn't real at all and that creates a false reality for MIB. it can go in many different ways
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 10:29 am
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:31 am to guedeaux
quote:That goes back to the earlier episode where the tech guy has one of the AI covered up and Ford pulls it off and is like "they have no dignity" or whatever then grabs the scalpel and slices the AI's face, Ford views the AI as pawns in his world. Bernard tends to view the AI more as real people, hence why Dolores is usually always clothed with Bernard.
Additionally, what is up with Dolores not wearing clothes when being interviewed by Ford but fully clothed and in a different area when being interviewed by Bernard?
That's my thought on it.
Also, go back to Episode1, the first part of the episode has Bernard's voice, conducting the interview with Dolores where she says "I am in a dream".....go to the end of the episode and it's the security dude (Stubbs?-buff blonde guy) conducting the same interview. It's definitely Bernard's voice in the beginning and the other dude actually doing it in the end.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:31 am to ell_13
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I'm not saying no completely. We may be talking a few weeks. Maybe William leaves as the MiB arrives?
They are simultaneous. We are in a race to find the maze, which clearly is going to have some lasting impact.
If finding the end of the maze is really going to be some major changing event, some facts need to be laid out for everyone here who thinks this isn't 1 timeline, and the storylines are happening more or less at the same time:
- Both Delores and MiB are looking for the maze.
- If the end of the maze is an actual MAJOR climax/world changing event, then for someone to find it will be an event with lasting implications. Otherwise, it is a terrible ending and this show will suck.
- Therefore, in neither the MiB storyline, or the Delores storyline, has the end of the maze been found.
- For the non-simultaneous theory of the two storylines to be true, that would mean either Delores or the MiB fails, independently, and their storyline just ends in nothingness.
- The above is not going to happen, for obvious reasons.
- Therefore, the only conclusion can be that both the MiB and Delores are hunting for the end of the maze, at the same time.
Other key points of continuity:
- The Wyatt storyline is commented on by MiB, that it is "new". If William and Delores are in the past in relation to the MiB, it would not be new.
- Delores has flashbacks of the MiB raping her at the beginning of her 'awakening', when she finds the pistol that she hid.
- Teddy goes with the female guest to attack Wyatt, and is subsequently captured by Wyatt's force. The MiB finds Teddy strung up, and revives him. This is outside Teddy's typical loop of protecting Delores.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:32 am to guedeaux
If Arnold built Ford as his partner in order to keep him around, memories and concrete evidence would be part of it. Point being, we don't know who is "real".
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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based around the themes of this show, that's somewhat irrelevant
The photo is fairly convincing as well as him as a younger man. Why go through the effort to digitally create a younger Ford if not to make him human?
ETA: And god damn it, her name is fricking Dolores not Delores.
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 10:36 am
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:36 am to cokebottleag
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This is outside Teddy's typical loop of protecting Delores.
that's not his loop. remember the group of guys in episode one who take Teddy as their "guide"?
Delores has no part in that, and the guy implies he's used Teddy before for non-Delores things
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The Wyatt storyline is commented on by MiB, that it is "new". If William and Delores are in the past in relation to the MiB, it would not be new.
what scene has Delores, William, and Wyatt? serious question (i'm going to re-watch to look for this exatly)
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:36 am to guedeaux
Someone's (Arnold? Bernard? Ford?) purpose is to make something be completely human.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:37 am to guedeaux
My phone now autocorrects to Delores. 
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:37 am to guedeaux
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Why go through the effort to digitally create a younger Ford if not to make him human?
you don't think the hosts have pictures or other artifacts in their existence to reinforce their memories?
if you were creating a false reality/consciousness, creating those artifacts is exactly what you'd do
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ETA: And god damn it, her name is fricking Dolores not Delores.
take it up with Jim Corney
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:43 am to cokebottleag
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There is no evidence (none) for multiple storylines. There is a lot of evidence this is one long storyline with some days or times glossed over. You're all connecting dots that aren't there.
There is one story line but different time frames. They may only be separated by days or weeks, but the time frames are different with the two in park stories we are currently seeing.
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