re: Westworld S01E05 - "Contrapasso" Thread

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Then the MIB speaks with ford and talks about the event that happened 34 years ago, which we know resulted in Arnold's death.

If the theory is that William is the timeline that MIB is talking about when he says "if it weren't for me", then it still doesn't make sense because they said Arnold killed himself before the park was open, and the Bro in Law has clearly been to the park multiple times before this current experience.

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you ever think Delores/Arnold just reveals this information to William somehow?

Delores has already gone rogue in the William story and is already making contact with Arnold in that storyline

Arnold would have already killed himself if Delores could talk to him in that storyline. plus as i said earlier, there is obviously a huge gap from the first generation of hosts (Bill) and when William goes there (Delores is the oldest host and is much more advanced than Bill). plenty of time for BIL to have made trips, know the park was in financial trouble, etc.

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Delores has already gone rogue in the William story and is already making contact with Arnold in that story line

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Bernard told her to find the maze. It can't be a coincidence that Arnold is also in her head guiding her to the maze. Don't know what it means.

If Bernard is a human, he is trying to use the host technology to find a way to bring his son back. I think that his why he wants Dolores to find the maze. He thinks that if he can create consciousness in her, then he can use the same method to recreate his son.

Also, who is sending data out of the park? Could it be Bernard? Or the guy who was creating the new narrative? (Speaking of him, is he confirmed human or still possible AI?)

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MiB wanting to figure out the park and maze is his way to beat his incurable illness and somehow live on through the park.

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Or have the AI created of himself to live on, as it seems Arnold may have, or Hopkins?

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In the previews there was a host on a table that looked an awful lot like Logan, don't know how they would get there, but none the less.

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It was Hector. I thought so too and checked again.

The previews were intense. Clementine was fricking someone up also. I couldn't figure out who it was.

I do not buy into the multiple Timelines. We see Lawrence because after the Host die the techs get them, clean them up and put them back in their loop. It was a new day as Delores was shown going into the shop for her meeting with Ford. I'm guessing at night any host that isn't teamed with Guests are reset so they can go back to their loop.


I do not think that McPoyle is the MiB as we are seeing the same robots and the older ones are well obviously older tech (the old man who Ford drinks with)

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I do not think that McPoyle is the MiB as we are seeing the same robots and the older ones are well obviously older tech (the old man who Ford drinks with)

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And also, what a terrible character if this is true. He is standing up for what he believes in and rebelling against the evil nature of Westworld, but then becomes this horrible villain? Thats pretty weak. If anything, Logan is more likely to become the man in black, plus he is always wearing black.

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He is standing up for what he believes in and rebelling against the evil nature of Westworld, but then becomes this horrible villain?

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i think we're seeing him become more of a "villain" as William. that was a major part of this episode. like William hasn't done anything bad, BUT he's done a lot worse stuff in this episode that he planned on doing prior to this episode. he killed hosts, killed an unarmed host, killed hosts when they weren't supposed to, left his friend to get the shite kicked out of him, etc. obviously MIB, at some point, becomes the legit villain and it's possible that the whole Delores/Arnold issue is what pushes for that shift (at teh end of this particular trip)

there ARE some strong hints about the connection

MIB saying he was "born here" could be William realizing how spineless and weak he was (heavily implied in the converation with a-hole this episode, as well as his development in doing more risky behaviors)

MIB says he's gotten Delores before in the "standard" way when he goes to rape her then says he doesn't want it easy (which is how William seems to be going with Delores)

When Ford rejects the new storyline, he goes into a long discussion about how WW is a place where people go to find the best versions of themselves. During that speech, the scene cuts to William, implying he's going to go through a major character development.

Then there is more "out there" stuff like how they were discussing buying the park, the fact that a "member of the board" was in the park (per Ford), and how MIB "gets whatever he wants" (is the head of the company that owns WW, which would be Arnold if he develops from his meek standing when he first gets to WW). Then the literay device of how MIB goes into this long speech with Lawrence about their past and everything before he kills him and a few scenes later, William gets told to call the host Lawrence.

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If anything, Logan is more likely to become the man in black

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i thought that during this episode too, until when faced with real action he crumbled. it's the classic literary "bully" meme. the big, arrogant shite talking aggro guy who does fine when he has the advantage but when he's being choked out by a host, he flips out and curls up

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but then becomes this horrible villain?

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What makes him a villain?

In his conversation with Ford, he talks about filling the roll of this great antagonist. But nothing he's done has been truly "evil". He's playing a game that requires brutal behavior to get to the next level or find the next piece. Says more about the game's creator than the players. This was said in this episode.

Actually it was pretty much the opposite. The man in black specifically mentions that the Wyatt storyline is new. And yet we see Dolores and William running through that same storyline.

I said as much. But being the park's villain and being the show's villain are two different roles completely.