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re: Westworld S01 E09: "The Well-Tempered Clavier"
Posted on 11/30/16 at 9:51 am to ell_13
Posted on 11/30/16 at 9:51 am to ell_13
The maze isn't a narrative on the surface that Delores is supposed to do. It's off the path. So why would there be someone there with the exact same clothes for a host who's off protocol.
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 9:56 am to txbd
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I wonder if Maeve, now that she has been retooled by Felix and Sylvester, still contains this backdoor in her core coding or if she is truly free from the control of Ford?
We only have 3 options (or some combination of these 3):
1. Maeve's deviation is fallout from Delores' "infection" - which was either caused or aggravated by Abernathy's (played by Baton Rouge native Louis Herthum).
2. Maeve is another activated "sleeper" - by either Arnold or Ford/Bernard - as a counter move to what is going on with the powers that be.
3. The trauma with Maeve from the most recent visit from MiB triggered a latent consciousness "potential" and the reveries "update" completed the circuit, so to speak.
Now, I have also not discounted that Ford has engineered all of this and used the reveries as cover for his actions. Conversely, it is possible that whatever Arnold left behind was triggered by this update and Ford is only slowly absorbing this. Finally, Bernard may very well be the man in the middle - a foot in both camps (Arnold and Ford) - and that HE is responsible for the off-script stuff.
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 9:57 am
Posted on 11/30/16 at 9:57 am to Jester
You're just assuming now, and that's exactly what I'm talking about. We have no idea if they are even still using that srotyline. Everything is just an assumption since we never really see Delores in the current timeframe.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 9:58 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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still am wondering how they're going to show how she got thrown off her loop the 2nd time)
I thought it was implied that she got thrown off the same way every time at her ranch with Rebus(there isn't a gun/there is, she gets shot/she doesn't).
Posted on 11/30/16 at 9:59 am to Jester
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There would be a new host replacing Lawrence in his old storyline.
It seems somewhat clear that Escaton replaced either Lawrence or the Confederado leader (or both), relegating Lawrence to a lower tier.
It seems that Wyatt's folks are replacing the old Ghost Nation storyline, which apparently used to go through Maeve's property.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 10:00 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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You're just assuming now, and that's exactly what I'm talking about. We have no idea if they are even still using that srotyline. Everything is just an assumption since we never really see Delores in the current timeframe.
And you're just being obtuse. At least I realize it's a waste of time to respond to you now.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 10:02 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Everything is just an assumption since we never really see Delores in the current timeframe.
Sure we do. We see the current MiB pick up the can (good guy interaction with Delores), as well as at the ranch (bad guy interaction with Delores). That's as current as it gets - although I'm not 100% clear on MiB's visit to Maeve at her most recent build.
Based on the most recent revelation by MiB - his sea change occurred when he killed Maeve and her daughter and that's when Maeve flipped out - this happened 9 months/1 year prior to the "in the now" - which would be a fourth potential "timeline" that we see snippets from.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 10:04 am to Jester
How am I being obtuse by pointing at flaws in the storytelling that I percieve?
Posted on 11/30/16 at 10:09 am to Ace Midnight
OK so we can say we haven't seen current Delores since 3 or 4th episode?
Posted on 11/30/16 at 10:19 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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OK so we can say we haven't seen current Delores since 3 or 4th episode?
We just saw her in the church on Sunday. I think when we see her retracing her steps from 30 years ago - that we see her relive/react to events from the past - like her getting shot/not getting shot at the ranch, her being stabbed/not being stabbed by Logan, etc.
So, it's complicated. We certainly don't have much of a clear picture of her "in the now" recently until she got back to town and the church.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 10:27 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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How am I being obtuse by pointing at flaws in the storytelling that I percieve?
You're pointing out a perceived single flaw in a world that has AI and synthetic living tissue for God's sake. Your perception could just as easily be the other side. Just suspend the disbelief on this one thing and live a less worrisome life.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 10:28 am to Ace Midnight
Obviously yes in the church, but before that is what I was asking, but OK with the flashbacks and her retracing her footsteps. But here's a question for you all. Why is there a gun hidden in the dirt 30 years ago? Because that's when Delores shoots the guy to escape to William. So how does she escape this time. Because we know in the present teddy has left to look for wyatt. Obviously the gun scene was a flashback, so who saves her? And why was age above in the past because teddy leaving was a current event. These are legitimate questions that you multiple time frame people should know. These were the reasons I was against it for so long but the picture proves I was wrong but didn't disprove all of this other contradicting evidence
Posted on 11/30/16 at 10:30 am to Socrates Johnson
I think you're right 
. I sod just accept multiple time frames stop thinking about it too much and enjoy the show
. I sod just accept multiple time frames stop thinking about it too much and enjoy the showPosted on 11/30/16 at 10:40 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Why is there a gun hidden in the dirt 30 years ago?
Pretty sure that's Arnold's voice telling her where it is.
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Because that's when Delores shoots the guy to escape to William.
The fragmented memories do not allow this clear of a conclusion. She may have hidden a gun in the hay. Ole boy reacted like he was disarmed by her. We honestly don't know exactly what happened right before she wandered off to see William.
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why was age above in the past because teddy leaving was a current event.
English, motherfricker? Do you speak it?
Teddy leaving and coming back is part of the current narrative, yes, but this may have been recycled. We don't see Teddy through his own eyes, ever, I don't think. We see him through the eyes of guests, mostly, and through Maeve, Clem and Delores.
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These are legitimate questions that you multiple time frame people should know.
You know what? You got me. Since I can't explain every single nuance in this very Lost-like, conspiracy/twist/thriller type show, then the multiple timelines can't be.
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This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 10:44 am
Posted on 11/30/16 at 10:42 am to Ace Midnight
quote:Sorry fast typing on my phone autocorrect sucks arse
English motherfricker do you speak it
I've already stated I'm on the multiple time frame train I just wish the writers wouldn't leave some pretty obvious loopholes for the sake of trying to pull a gotcha later in the season.
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 10:44 am
Posted on 11/30/16 at 10:42 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
You are forgetting that Maeve has done this same thing. How many drawings were there of the tech that she had hidden? So a few times (maybe only 2 or 3) over 30 years or so Dolores follows the path she originally took with William.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 10:52 am to ell_13
Ok but Why would she be left alone in the past though? Isn't there supposed to be a good guy(teddy) there to protect the damsel in distress?
Posted on 11/30/16 at 11:00 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Ok but Why would she be left alone in the past though?
I don't understand your question at all - you're trying to figure out why the narrative isn't identical over the 30 years? It isn't.
You want to figure out why there is no guest around 30 years ago when she ran and ended up at William and Logan's campfire? I agree this is a complicating factor, but so is her fragmented memory. Maybe the guest got bored and went back to town. Maybe the guest is in the main house torturing mom and dad. But, more likely, the park staff at the time set up the raid to send her running to the arms of William, since he had showed interest in her back at Sweetwater.
Now, does that make a little sense?
Posted on 11/30/16 at 11:06 am to Cockopotamus
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For everyone thats been clamoring about "how does nobody recognize Bernard as Arnold", if all the workers in the park are killed by Delores and 1)their families notified, or 2)if Ford replicates all the workers after they were killed by Delores, and the parks investors were "more than willing to scrub him from the records" then there would be nobody left in the park to recognize or even know about Arnold except for Ford.
I think Ford is still hiding a few things. The most important person in the parks history cannot just go missing without anyone noticing
We haven't been told something (obviously). 
Posted on 11/30/16 at 11:30 am to hiltacular
Well if you recall, after Logan gutted Dolores, she said something about Arnold. Logan states that he has no idea who Arnold is. Obviously Arnold's identity has been kept on the hush hush. He has lawyers looking into it and they haven't found anything about Arnold.
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