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re: Westworld Episode 4: Dissonance Theory
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:19 am to txbd
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:19 am to txbd
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I mean it as they are showing a timeline from lets say 2100 and they are also showing a timeline from 2140.
This is not what's happening. It's established by the control room scenes where they are tracking Delroes and William in the Mexican town and the MIB in jail that this is all happening at the same time.
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:45 am to txbd
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Yeah, just like Musick said. I don't mean multiple timelines as in Butterfly Effect multiple timelines. I mean it as they are showing a timeline from lets say 2100 and they are also showing a timeline from 2140.
I know what you all are trying to say when you say "timelines." What I'm saying is that your usage of the word is wrong.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:48 am to txbd
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Yeah, just like Musick said. I don't mean multiple timelines as in Butterfly Effect multiple timelines. I mean it as they are showing a timeline from lets say 2100 and they are also showing a timeline from 2140.
You are still very wrong. You even admitted that you the control room scenes are strong evidence against your baseless theory, but then you decide to ignore it. I bet you thought that Howland Reed was the High Sparrow in Game of Thrones too.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:49 am to McCaigBro69
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Jonathan Nolan and JJ Abrams. Who the frick knows.
A mindfrick is coming. It is known. That is what these guys do.
I don't think it would be a multiple timeline for the guests or the employees. The hosts are the only ones with flashbacks or flashfowards that we have seen so far if those are even different times.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:50 am to guedeaux
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I bet you thought that Howland Reed was the High Sparrow in Game of Thrones too.
RiP Howland
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:34 pm to wildtigercat93
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There were some strong slavery tones as well with Fords scenes last night. His partner saw them as people and cared for them, while Ford sees them as his people and him their god. Those two drastic styles can't go together and I don't think it was any accident that he died in the park
Agreed. And the "incident" which involves the church burning and the Indians walking into the town where the church is located is probably how Ford killed Arnold.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:43 pm to Gugich22
Y'all think it was Ford who really wants to create consciousness and he killed Arnold because he tried to stop him?
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:43 pm to ell_13
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The gun is easier to explain. Not every guest will have a different gun. There are only so many to choose from. It doesn't support anything. MiB comes to the park often. William is new. That's like using one being old and the other young as evidence. It adds nothing.
i'll have to re-watch last episode but how can delores have a flashback of MIB with william if williams is the younger version of MIB?
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:46 pm to Cooter Davenport
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This is not what's happening. It's established by the control room scenes where they are tracking Delroes and William in the Mexican town and the MIB in jail that this is all happening at the same time
No it's not.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
I haven't had a chance to rewatch either. But I think people are trying to say that we are watching a storyline from 30 years ago after a flashback of the MiB from the first episode in the "present" time. It's a dumb theory. Has anyone tried to play devils advocate against this and try to explain a way that the MiB is from 30 years ago and William is new? That would be an interesting argument if there's any evidence to it. But I'd have to rewatch with that in mind.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:08 pm to musick
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No it's not.
Yes, it is. You people are really stretching here. Similar to what happened in the True Detective (Season 1) threads, people are creating this idea of what they want to be occurring, and when that doesn't come to fruition they are going to bitch about the show not delivering.
Enjoy the show with what we are provided, but stretching to make theories believable will only compromise your ability to enjoy what eventually happens.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:08 pm to ell_13
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Y'all think it was Ford who really wants to create consciousness and he killed Arnold because he tried to stop him?
Could definitely make sense. He did tell the hot old chick "Trust me, don't get in my way"
Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:16 pm to guedeaux
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Yes, it is. You people are really stretching here. Similar to what happened in the True Detective (Season 1) threads, people are creating this idea of what they want to be occurring, and when that doesn't come to fruition they are going to bitch about the show not delivering.
To be fair the only reason I've posted about two separate times being showcased is that you could easily do it with the hosts not aging and hide it pretty well. Everything else and predicting WHEN the times are have been taken and run with on this board and reddit.
The premise is not much of a stretch as you imply.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:18 pm to RoyalLSU
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Could definitely make sense. He did tell the hot old chick "Trust me, don't get in my way"
didnt understand that scene. was the bulldozer/earthmover thing heading over to demolish that restaurant as a 'frick you' to her memory of going there as a little girl?
Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:27 pm to musick
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To be fair the only reason I've posted about two separate times being showcased is that you could easily do it with the hosts not aging and hide it pretty well.
But what about when they switch hosts in a character, i.e. Mr. Abernathy? MiB is there when "original" (to us) Abernathy was there. Then, the new Abernathy shows up (former bartender, if I remember correctly), Dolores speaks to him, he is killed, Dolores has a flashback to MiB, and then Dolores runs into William. Thus, William can not exist prior to MiB encounter, and they are in the park at the same time.
You motherfrickers are going to make me re-watch every episode and put together a research paper on this shite hahaha
This post was edited on 10/25/16 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:28 pm to guedeaux
i will admit discussing this show is much more engaging than watching the show
i may re-watch the episodes before sunday too
i may re-watch the episodes before sunday too
Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:36 pm to CAD703X
quote:I think so.
was the bulldozer/earthmover thing heading over to demolish that restaurant as a 'frick you' to her memory of going there as a little girl?
Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:45 pm to CAD703X
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was the bulldozer/earthmover thing heading over to demolish that restaurant as a 'frick you' to her memory of going there as a little girl?
Could be that, and he did say something along the lines of "the new narrative would not be a retrospective as the board fears" and that "I am not the sentimental type." So, saying this will be something new that they haven't seen yet, and also telling the audience a little more about his character not holding on to the past.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:56 pm to Sasquatch Smash
Could be foreshadowing issues with Arnold.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:57 pm to Cooter Davenport
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The way this show is fresh is that it has robotic characters who are on story line loops in a theme park and are suddenly able to access memories from past loops aka: "reveries". There are flashbacks to these reveries as well as indications of planning or "moving the ball forward" over the course of several reveries. But we aren't being shown something 30 years ago as if it were occurring "today" alongside something occurring "today" with some big reveal to be "oh this whole story line occurred int he past". You guys who think that are COMPLETELY missing what the show runners are enthralled with and consider to be their unique contribution to the genre, which is their use of the reveries. The multiple timelines deal cheapens what they think is a really cool narrative device in the form of the reveries.
Look man, I understand that this show revolves around reveries, or memories of past events that influence their future events. That is my point. William exists as a reverie to Dolores from when they interacted 30ish years ago.
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That's not to mention that it's established from the control room scenes where they are tracking Delroes and William in the Mexican town and the MIB in jail that this is all happening at the same time. The idea that that's just a red herring is a pathetic, silly exercise in cognitive dissonance.
I don't remember anything about William from the control room scene. I remember them saying vaguely "Dolores with a guest". That does not mean William was there. There are plenty of other guests that I am sure Dolores has interacted with.
There is not definitive proof of this theory being right. There is not definitive proof of this theory being wrong. Until they show the MIB interacting with William to prove that they are not the same person, this theory is still in play.
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