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Westerns
Posted on 6/26/19 at 12:16 am
Posted on 6/26/19 at 12:16 am
People have forgotten how diverse and interesting westerns were. I do t go often to broadcast, but when I do, I usually keep it on a channel that just shows westerns all day. And I will usually have it on when doing random stuff and not fully paying attention.
This morning as I’m getting ready, the oddest movie is on. Turns out it’s called “the cheyanne social club”. It’s from 1969 and it’s about a man who inherits a brothel. From what I get her, there are action parts of the movie, but what I saw was just som quaint and interesting and kinda fun from a “What would you do if your straight laced and found out actually had to run a brothel” look. I wish we’d see more movies today kinda like this. admittedly I only saw like 10 minutes.
Also, I need to start a thread on this but the show Wyatt Earp. I catch an episode once in a blue moon. It’s enjoyable enough. But i feel very uncomfortable with how literally worshipful the show is to him. The intro sounds like a hymn about Jesus. Not sure if anyone here has heard it but they make him seem like a deity
This morning as I’m getting ready, the oddest movie is on. Turns out it’s called “the cheyanne social club”. It’s from 1969 and it’s about a man who inherits a brothel. From what I get her, there are action parts of the movie, but what I saw was just som quaint and interesting and kinda fun from a “What would you do if your straight laced and found out actually had to run a brothel” look. I wish we’d see more movies today kinda like this. admittedly I only saw like 10 minutes.
Also, I need to start a thread on this but the show Wyatt Earp. I catch an episode once in a blue moon. It’s enjoyable enough. But i feel very uncomfortable with how literally worshipful the show is to him. The intro sounds like a hymn about Jesus. Not sure if anyone here has heard it but they make him seem like a deity
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 5:17 am to athenslife101
Posted on 6/26/19 at 7:56 am to athenslife101
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but what I saw was just som quaint and interesting and kinda fun from a “What would you do if your straight laced and found out actually had to run a brothel” look. I wish we’d see more movies today kinda like this.
They do have these movies. They star Rob Schneider.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 12:09 pm to ShootingsBricks4Life
quote:
They star Rob Schneider.
The Cheyenne Social Club stars Jimmy Stewart and Henry Fonda. Directed by Gene Kelly. Shirley Jones is the madam. Really good movie with plenty of hot chicks playing the whores.
https://i.imgur.com/GadyxwG.jpg
Fonda and Stewart are great in it.
https://i.vimeocdn.com/video/558137382_1280x720.jpg
Trailer on Youtube
IMDb
This post was edited on 7/15/19 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 6/26/19 at 12:20 pm to athenslife101
The shakiest Gun in The West
Posted on 6/26/19 at 12:47 pm to athenslife101
Cheyenne Social Club is a nice treat because of the chemistry between Stewart and Fonda.
They literally knew each other since they were struggling stage actors in New York during the 20s, in each's respective 20s. In fact, they roomed together in New York and were essentially best friends with diametrically opposed political views. They also roomed together when Stewart went out to Hollywood before the war in the mid-30s.
And, frankly, those were 2 of the very best actors of the 20th Century.
They literally knew each other since they were struggling stage actors in New York during the 20s, in each's respective 20s. In fact, they roomed together in New York and were essentially best friends with diametrically opposed political views. They also roomed together when Stewart went out to Hollywood before the war in the mid-30s.
And, frankly, those were 2 of the very best actors of the 20th Century.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 10:56 am to athenslife101
A Bullet for the General (youtube)
quote:
A Bullet for the General (Original title: El Chucho Quién Sabe?) is a 1966 Italian Spaghetti Western film directed by Damiano Damiani starring Gian Maria Volonté, Lou Castel, Klaus Kinski and Martine Beswick. The film tells the story of El Chuncho, a bandit, and Bill Tate (or El Nino), who is a counter-revolutionary in Mexico. Chuncho soon learns that social revolution is more important than mere money.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 2:33 pm to Kafka
McCabe & Mrs. Miller (1971) is another atypical Western.
A gambler and a prostitute become business partners in a remote Old West mining town, and their enterprise thrives until a large corporation arrives on the scene.
Director: Robert Altman
Cast: Warren Beatty, Julie Christie, Rene Auberjonois, William Devane, Shelley Duvall, Keith Carradine
Soundtrack: Leonard Cohen
Trailer on Youtube
IMDb
A gambler and a prostitute become business partners in a remote Old West mining town, and their enterprise thrives until a large corporation arrives on the scene.
Director: Robert Altman
Cast: Warren Beatty, Julie Christie, Rene Auberjonois, William Devane, Shelley Duvall, Keith Carradine
Soundtrack: Leonard Cohen
Trailer on Youtube
IMDb
This post was edited on 6/29/19 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 7/15/19 at 6:31 pm to athenslife101
Glenn Ford westerns on TCM tonight. He's really good in a few of these.
If you think Russell Crowe was good in 3;10 to Yuma, check out Ford in the 1957 version at 10:45.
He's also outstanding in the title role of Jubal, working as cowhands, on Ernest Borgnine's ranch, with a big a-hole played by Rod Steiger at 8:45.
If you want to see Jack Lemmon in a western, tune in at 12:30 for Cowboy. Lemmon goes on his first cattle drive with Ford as his boss.
The lineup:
7PM Fastest Gun Alive, The (1956)
Synopsis:A reformed gunslinger's past keeps catching up with him.
Dir: Russell Rouse
Cast: Glenn Ford , Jeanne Crain , Broderick Crawford
8:45PM Jubal (1956)
Overview
A trio of exceptional performances from Glenn Ford (3:10 to Yuma), Ernest Borgnine (Marty), and Rod Steiger (On the Waterfront) form the center of Jubal, an overlooked Hollywood treasure from genre master Delmer Daves (3:10 to Yuma). In this Shakespearean tale of jealousy and betrayal, Ford is an honorable itinerant cattleman, befriended and hired by Borgnine's bighearted ranch owner despite his unwillingness to talk about his past. When the new hand becomes the target of the flirtatious attentions of the owner's bored wife (Valerie French) and is entrusted by the boss with a foreman's responsibilities, his presence at the ranch starts to rankle his shifty fellow cowhand, played by Steiger. The resulting emotional showdown imparts unparalleled psychologyintensity to this western, a vivid melodrama featuring expressive location photography in Technicolor and CinemaScope.
Dir: Delmer Daves
Cast: Glenn Ford, Ernest Borgnine, Rod Steiger, Valerie French, Felicia Farr, Noah Beery, Jr., Charles Bronson.
Ben Wade's gang.
10:45PM 3:10 to Yuma (1957)
Synopsis: Extremely suspenseful Western, one of the best of the 1950s. Farmer Heflin, needing the money, agrees to hold captured outlaw Ford until the train arrives, but Ford starts to psych him out. Gripping every step of the way, with memorable George Duning theme sung by Frankie Laine. Script by Halsted Welles from an Elmore Leonard story.
Dir: Delmer Daves
Cast: Van Heflin, Glenn Ford, Felicia Farr, Leora Dana, Henry Jones, Richard Jaeckel, Robert Emhardt.
12:30 AM Cowboy (1958)
Synopsis:Real-life writer Frank Harris signs on as a ranch hand and learns the ropes from an experienced cowboy. Intelligent, atmospheric Western based on Frank Harris' reminiscences as a tenderfoot. Lemmon is Harris, with Ford as his stern boss on eventful cattle roundup.
Dir: Delmer Daves
Cast: Glenn Ford, Jack Lemmon, Anna Kashfi, Brian Donlevy, Dick York.
2:15 Cimarron (1960)
Synopsis: A pioneer couple plays a major role in the settling of Oklahoma.
Dir: Anthony Mann
Cast: Glenn Ford, Maria Schell, Anne Baxter, Arthur O'Connell, Russ Tamblyn, Mercedes McCambridge, Vic Morrow, Charles McGraw, Henry (Harry) Morgan, Edgar Buchanan, Robert Keith, Aline MacMahon, David Opatoshu, Mary Wickes.
4:45AM Sheepman, The (1958)
Synopsis:A tough sheep farmer battles the local cattle baron for land and a beautiful woman.
Dir: George Marshall
Cast: Glenn Ford, Shirley MacLaine, Leslie Nielsen, Mickey Shaughnessy, Edgar Buchanan.
TCM Schedule
He's TCM's July Star of the Month
If you think Russell Crowe was good in 3;10 to Yuma, check out Ford in the 1957 version at 10:45.
He's also outstanding in the title role of Jubal, working as cowhands, on Ernest Borgnine's ranch, with a big a-hole played by Rod Steiger at 8:45.
If you want to see Jack Lemmon in a western, tune in at 12:30 for Cowboy. Lemmon goes on his first cattle drive with Ford as his boss.
The lineup:
7PM Fastest Gun Alive, The (1956)
Synopsis:A reformed gunslinger's past keeps catching up with him.
Dir: Russell Rouse
Cast: Glenn Ford , Jeanne Crain , Broderick Crawford
8:45PM Jubal (1956)
Overview
A trio of exceptional performances from Glenn Ford (3:10 to Yuma), Ernest Borgnine (Marty), and Rod Steiger (On the Waterfront) form the center of Jubal, an overlooked Hollywood treasure from genre master Delmer Daves (3:10 to Yuma). In this Shakespearean tale of jealousy and betrayal, Ford is an honorable itinerant cattleman, befriended and hired by Borgnine's bighearted ranch owner despite his unwillingness to talk about his past. When the new hand becomes the target of the flirtatious attentions of the owner's bored wife (Valerie French) and is entrusted by the boss with a foreman's responsibilities, his presence at the ranch starts to rankle his shifty fellow cowhand, played by Steiger. The resulting emotional showdown imparts unparalleled psychologyintensity to this western, a vivid melodrama featuring expressive location photography in Technicolor and CinemaScope.
Dir: Delmer Daves
Cast: Glenn Ford, Ernest Borgnine, Rod Steiger, Valerie French, Felicia Farr, Noah Beery, Jr., Charles Bronson.
Ben Wade's gang.
10:45PM 3:10 to Yuma (1957)
Synopsis: Extremely suspenseful Western, one of the best of the 1950s. Farmer Heflin, needing the money, agrees to hold captured outlaw Ford until the train arrives, but Ford starts to psych him out. Gripping every step of the way, with memorable George Duning theme sung by Frankie Laine. Script by Halsted Welles from an Elmore Leonard story.
Dir: Delmer Daves
Cast: Van Heflin, Glenn Ford, Felicia Farr, Leora Dana, Henry Jones, Richard Jaeckel, Robert Emhardt.
12:30 AM Cowboy (1958)
Synopsis:Real-life writer Frank Harris signs on as a ranch hand and learns the ropes from an experienced cowboy. Intelligent, atmospheric Western based on Frank Harris' reminiscences as a tenderfoot. Lemmon is Harris, with Ford as his stern boss on eventful cattle roundup.
Dir: Delmer Daves
Cast: Glenn Ford, Jack Lemmon, Anna Kashfi, Brian Donlevy, Dick York.
2:15 Cimarron (1960)
Synopsis: A pioneer couple plays a major role in the settling of Oklahoma.
Dir: Anthony Mann
Cast: Glenn Ford, Maria Schell, Anne Baxter, Arthur O'Connell, Russ Tamblyn, Mercedes McCambridge, Vic Morrow, Charles McGraw, Henry (Harry) Morgan, Edgar Buchanan, Robert Keith, Aline MacMahon, David Opatoshu, Mary Wickes.
4:45AM Sheepman, The (1958)
Synopsis:A tough sheep farmer battles the local cattle baron for land and a beautiful woman.
Dir: George Marshall
Cast: Glenn Ford, Shirley MacLaine, Leslie Nielsen, Mickey Shaughnessy, Edgar Buchanan.
TCM Schedule
He's TCM's July Star of the Month
This post was edited on 7/15/19 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 7/16/19 at 12:26 pm to athenslife101
The Western is not quite dead, but it isn't as useful a setting as it was in the past. Previous generations still had a one or two generation connection to farming and so the setting in the West was connected to that idea of freedom and self-reliance. The West is now occupied by cities and pretty much just like the rest of the U.S., so now there is a shift to space. Space movies are just westerns set where there is still freedom and self-reliance (sometimes third-world countries or other depopulated areas act as stand-ins a la Mad Max, etc...).
Posted on 11/10/20 at 9:42 pm to athenslife101
The Bounty Man (1972)
Directed by John Llewellyn Moxey
Written by Jim Byrnes
A bitter and hardened bounty hunter tries to bring in an outlaw worth $5,000 so he can retire from his sordid and dangerous line of work, but the outlaw's girl complicates things.
In 1971-2 Clint Walker made three TV-movie western pilots, none of which sold: Yuma (okay at most), Hardcase (pretty good), and this, which IMHO was the best.
This was TV's answer to Peckinpah and the Spaghettis, with lots of dirt and grime and dirty beards. Extreme violence was censored at the time, so instead we get lots of sadistic sneers and threats.
All three of the Walker pilots had fine supporting casts. This one has Margot Kidder as the female lead and Richard Basehart as a scummy but pretentious villain, as well as oater vets like Arthur Hunnicutt and Gene Evans spicing up things.
Kinkaid (Clint Walker) intends to bring in his outlaw (John Ericson) for the bounty, and the outlaw's girl (Margot Kidder) better not get in the way.
Richard Basehart and his gang of barroom scum plot to steal the bounty from Walker.
The girl softens up hard case Kinkaid
-- or does she?
Directed by John Llewellyn Moxey
Written by Jim Byrnes
A bitter and hardened bounty hunter tries to bring in an outlaw worth $5,000 so he can retire from his sordid and dangerous line of work, but the outlaw's girl complicates things.
In 1971-2 Clint Walker made three TV-movie western pilots, none of which sold: Yuma (okay at most), Hardcase (pretty good), and this, which IMHO was the best.
This was TV's answer to Peckinpah and the Spaghettis, with lots of dirt and grime and dirty beards. Extreme violence was censored at the time, so instead we get lots of sadistic sneers and threats.
All three of the Walker pilots had fine supporting casts. This one has Margot Kidder as the female lead and Richard Basehart as a scummy but pretentious villain, as well as oater vets like Arthur Hunnicutt and Gene Evans spicing up things.
Kinkaid (Clint Walker) intends to bring in his outlaw (John Ericson) for the bounty, and the outlaw's girl (Margot Kidder) better not get in the way.
Richard Basehart and his gang of barroom scum plot to steal the bounty from Walker.
The girl softens up hard case Kinkaid
-- or does she?
Posted on 12/8/20 at 8:40 pm to athenslife101
Silver Lode (1954) - Watch on YT
Directed by Allan Dwan
Written by Karen DeWolf
On his wedding day a man is accused by marshals of murder and robbery, but he denies the charges and searches for the real culprit even as the townsfolk abandon him.
Like High Noon this is an allegory about the blacklist (the villain is named McCarty -- no "H"), and IMHO the superior film. A favorite of Martin Scorcese.
Directed by Allan Dwan
Written by Karen DeWolf
On his wedding day a man is accused by marshals of murder and robbery, but he denies the charges and searches for the real culprit even as the townsfolk abandon him.
Like High Noon this is an allegory about the blacklist (the villain is named McCarty -- no "H"), and IMHO the superior film. A favorite of Martin Scorcese.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 5:28 pm to Ace Midnight
Jimmy Stewart was the GOAT.
And a fellow Western Pennsylvanian
to boot.
And a fellow Western Pennsylvanian
to boot.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 5:53 pm to athenslife101
One of my parents’ favorite things to do is watch old westerns like that and play who’s the actor and what other westerns were they in.
The big stars rotated, but it’s funny how many minor actors made careers out of filling out the smaller roles in those films. It’s like the same 30 people.
The big stars rotated, but it’s funny how many minor actors made careers out of filling out the smaller roles in those films. It’s like the same 30 people.
Posted on 12/25/20 at 1:02 pm to athenslife101
"You wouldn't shoot an unarmed man, would you?"
Posted on 12/25/20 at 2:04 pm to athenslife101
quote:
People have forgotten how diverse and interesting westerns were.
I think my Western-watching is pretty typical of a 40 yr old American. Meaning, I’ve seen most of the major western movies and a few episodes of Gunsmoke. For someone like me, Westerns do not seem diverse at all. Mostly bc they all look and sound similar. You have the usual cowboy attire, the six shooters, horses clopping around all making the same sound, poker and whiskey in the saloon, the towns all look the same...the visuals and sounds are generally similar.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 6:38 pm to athenslife101
"When in doubt, make a western." -- John Ford
Posted on 5/9/21 at 5:06 pm to biglego
quote:It depends on how you look at it. The Western, like the kabuki theatre of Japan, has certain visual and narrative conventions. For the aficionado, the artistry comes from the artist working within those confines.quote:I think my Western-watching is pretty typical of a 40 yr old American. Meaning, I’ve seen most of the major western movies and a few episodes of Gunsmoke. For someone like me, Westerns do not seem diverse at all. Mostly bc they all look and sound similar. You have the usual cowboy attire, the six shooters, horses clopping around all making the same sound, poker and whiskey in the saloon, the towns all look the same...the visuals and sounds are generally similar.
People have forgotten how diverse and interesting westerns were
Posted on 5/9/21 at 5:46 pm to MorbidTheClown
quote:
The shakiest Gun in The West
Another Don Knotts outing playing the same bumbling, inept character, but funny none the less.
The Reluctant Astronaut
The Ghost And Mr. Chicken
The Incredible Mr. Limpet
All good clean fun movies by Knotts.
Posted on 5/9/21 at 6:13 pm to biglego
quote:
Westerns do not seem diverse at all. Mostly bc they all look and sound similar.
You've got to remember, life was way simpler back then. You got around using horses traveling on dirt roads, if there even was a road. Towns were few and far between out west and most were built out of basic construction.
People went to bed just after dark and woke up at sunrise, if not before to get their days started. Not many distractions like TV, radio, live music venues, amusement parks, cinemas, etc. so it was a pretty mundane existence.
And yeah, saloons were a huge draw back then for men. Drinking was on a whole different level from what it is today with many men getting slammed almost daily. That is why the temperance movement came into play with women getting tired of their men getting drunk and raising hell once home.
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